Advanced Airline Pilot Programs

CLR4ILS said:
Not everybody that lands a major slot is always right about everything. I do not bow down to Don like some of you just because he made it to a major. His opinion means nothing to me (UPS or Not) when he talks •! about one of the best flight training organizations in the world (More so in the past, he has been kinder to FSA lately).

I will agree that alot of schools out there mislead the newbies with their rediculous marketing ploys. I do not like those schools anymore than the rest of you. I believe in schools that have proven track records with respect to quality, and customer satisfaction. If you can point me in the direction of an FBO operation that is of quality, then I will help push that school and get their name out there.

With respect to me and how much i have been flying..... I fly enough to satisfy my love for aviation. I will fly even more when I buy my new plane in a few weeks.

With respect to who is in a better position..... lets see, he is at UPS with a salary of probably $150K as an F/O and He is gone from his family quite often (if he has one). I am sitting on a couple acres in yes.... North Scottsdale with a salary that triples his and I am home with my beautiful wife and daughter every night. I can afford to fly everyday if I wish and I still get to watch my daughter grow up.

Point being..... not that my wife and I are financially secure, but rather that I am home with my family and have a salary that I cannot touch at a regional. So who is sitting better? The opinion can change from person to person.

Dork I am not....smart I am....

ILS
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Wow...someone has a case of encephalitis.
Who cares how much money you make dude. Money has never impressed me. I know that you probably didn't mean to come off as the huge stuck-up pompous ass that you sounded liked so I'll give you that.
Also...I don't pull out the kneepads when Doug or DE727 come my way. I was just illustrating that they have been there paid there dues. So though we might all at times disagree on things. I still value their advice as they have "made it" in the aviation industry.
I'm aware that you went to FSI have all your ratings. But in direct comparison your advice ranks less then theirs as you have less hours and aren't even flying let alone a professional pilot. But thats not to say that you don't or can't deliver good advise.
If you had choosen to fly professional humbly starting out at FSI then maybe flying for ASA. Then moving up to mainline flying. Your experience and expertise on topics such as this would be far more valued.
As for who is in a better position. Thats all relative. One could make six figure incomes or more and absolutely dread going into work everyday. Or be making $68k as a teacher like my mom and wake up with a smile everyday at the age of 58 and turn down early retirement because she loves teaching so much.

-Matthew
 
supercell86 said:
I agree....people with thousands of hours may have experienced alot more, and therefore may know alot more. But they are also at a disadvantage. They aren't as aware of the new technology that can get low time pilot as qualified as high time pilots. They say they do, but do they really? Most of them probably do, because they don't live in caves, but maybe they just haven't accepted it yet....soon they will when EVERYONE is being hired with 400TT. I'm not saying that people getting hired at 400TT is great, but with the new technology i think it isn't too too bad.
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Ha!....this new technology does nothing but make people lazy and complacent. And has turned pilots into system analyst.

Those old school pilots your talking about actually hand flew 707's,DC-8's,727's with steam guages at alt. and did EVERYTHING by hand that we youngster take for granted due to automation. If anything we should shut up take note and learn from them.

-Matthew
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Wow...someone has a case of encephalitis.
Who cares how much money you make dude. Money has never impressed me. I know that you probably didn't mean to come off as the huge stuck-up pompous ass that you sounded liked so I'll give you that.
Also...I don't pull out the kneepads when Doug or DE727 come my way. I was just illustrating that they have been there paid there dues. So though we might all at times disagree on things. I still value their advice as they have "made it" in the aviation industry.
I'm aware that you went to FSI have all your ratings. But in direct comparison your advice ranks less then theirs as you have less hours and aren't even flying let alone a professional pilot. But thats not to say that you don't or can't deliver good advise.
If you had choosen to fly professional humbly starting out at FSI then maybe flying for ASA. Then moving up to mainline flying. Your experience and expertise on topics such as this would be far more valued.
As for who is in a better position. Thats all relative. One could make six figure incomes or more and absolutely dread going into work everyday. Or be making $68k as a teacher like my mom and wake up with a smile everyday at the age of 58 and turn down early retirement because she loves teaching so much.

-Matthew
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Fair enough.... The point was..... If I wanted an airline career I would be there already. I have the quals but have other interests in mind right now.

As far as whether or not SUPERCELL should do a direct track or not, it makes no difference if you have 2000 hours or 20,000 hours as long as you are educated on the issue. It is a matter of opinion and I have more than enough experience and hours to have a "valued" opinion on the issue.

Money has never really impressed me either..... financial security for my family and having my daughters college paid for does....

I did like the knee pad comment though. Good to hear you don't pull them out.

ILS
 
CLR4ILS said:
I did like the knee pad comment though. Good to hear you don't pull them out.

ILS
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Coming from me thought cha would. And I don't need knee pads at all my knees already have enough calous for traction...:)

-Matthew
 
supercell86 said:
I agree....people with thousands of hours may have experienced alot more, and therefore may know alot more. But they are also at a disadvantage. They aren't as aware of the new technology that can get low time pilot as qualified as high time pilots. They say they do, but do they really? Most of them probably do, because they don't live in caves, but maybe they just haven't accepted it yet....soon they will when EVERYONE is being hired with 400TT. I'm not saying that people getting hired at 400TT is great, but with the new technology i think it isn't too too bad.
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Wow. It's funny hearing the 'low time' guys (and I'm one of them) talk about being 'qualified' to fly mention piloting skills. When the high time guys talk about it, they talk about experience. Two totally different things. Any one can fly an aircraft, it really is pretty easy to do. Don't kid yourself that you are qualified assist your captain at 400 hours just because you can pass a checkride.

Also, don't go rushing into this gig. It is the hardest job I've ever had. Do you want to wake up at 4:00 AM for 4 days in a row and finish at 6:00 PM for 4 days in a row when you're 19? I didn't. I'm glad I enjoyed college life...

~wheelsup
 
(comment directed at professional airline pilots, like me)

"They aren't as aware of the new technology that can get low time pilot as qualified as high time pilots. They say they do, but do they really? Most of them probably do, because they don't live in caves, but maybe they just haven't accepted it yet....soon they will when EVERYONE is being hired with 400TT. I'm not saying that people getting hired at 400TT is great, but with the new technology i think it isn't too too bad."

Well. All I can say is I think you're way wrong with that. When you get a couple of thousand hours under your belt, come back and read this again and see if you still agree. Same goes for my good buddy Cleared4ILS. Seriously, you should go to Gulfstream. If you really believe what you write, you should get into marketing at FSA or Gulfstream, since they believe it too.

Hey, Cleared4ILS, keep calling me names, it cracks me up. Makes you, your views, and your beloved FSA look just great to be dissin' a UPS pilot at a website like jetcareers. I got a PM a while back from someone from FSA that apologised for your attitude and said most FSA guys aren't like you. Works for me....
 
DE72
OOOoohhhhh...dissin a "UPS" pilot. Get over yourself.


I know I have said it in the past that I have a very good friend that is senior to you at UPS. He and I have viewed your posts together. He knows who you are and he says your views with respect to schools like FlightSafety and their advanced airline programs are way off. Not to mention attempting to compare your little FBO school to FSA. He said you are an idiot that thinks he is cool always throwing out the "UPS" card.

I think he is right.


With respect to the "other" FSA guy, could care less...... I know all of the management at FSA and they know CLR4ILS. I used to work with them. They too find your views and comparison of your FBO school to FSA very entertaining.


I told you before Don, I have met many sharp low time pilots and I have met several idiots that managed to make it to the majors.

Where do you fit into that equation again?

And it's CLR4ILS.... Not Cleared4ILS..
 
Alright kids.....we know you don't agree with him and he doesn't agree with you....Can we move on now?.......and stay with the subject at hand....:p

This little tit-for-tat gets old..............:rawk:

Can't we all just get along ?:nana2:
 
CLR4ILS said:
Not everybody that lands a major slot is always right about everything. I do not bow down to Don like some of you just because he made it to a major. His opinion means nothing to me (UPS or Not) when he talks •! about one of the best flight training organizations in the world (More so in the past, he has been kinder to FSA lately).

I will agree that alot of schools out there mislead the newbies with their rediculous marketing ploys. I do not like those schools anymore than the rest of you. I believe in schools that have proven track records with respect to quality, and customer satisfaction. If you can point me in the direction of an FBO operation that is of quality, then I will help push that school and get their name out there.

With respect to me and how much i have been flying..... I fly enough to satisfy my love for aviation. I will fly even more when I buy my new plane in a few weeks.

With respect to who is in a better position..... lets see, he is at UPS with a salary of probably $150K as an F/O and He is gone from his family quite often (if he has one). I am sitting on a couple acres in yes.... North Scottsdale with a salary that triples his and I am home with my beautiful wife and daughter every night. I can afford to fly everyday if I wish and I still get to watch my daughter grow up.

Point being..... not that my wife and I are financially secure, but rather that I am home with my family and have a salary that I cannot touch at a regional or major. So who is sitting better? The opinion can change from person to person.

Dork I am not....smart I am....

ILS
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You are just a sparkling example of what NOT to turn out to be in life.

Spend $80,000 at FSI, can't land a flying job and then brag about how great FSI is and how great your life is yet you still hang out and post on a pilot web site tying to vicariously live the "life" you so ignorantly put down.

Wow.
 
Missed most of this thread, but what has stuck out is a few people acting like a couple of inmature brats when they get their feelings hurt. Grow up.

Hang out with Don for a little bit, talk with him a bit and you'll realize what he's really saying instead of trying to put words in his mouth. I don't bow down to the guy, but I do have some respect for what he has to say because he has earned that right here. Some of the other folks in this thread have not, and as is typical with this site somebody will always come on here talkin' like they know what is going on in the industry when they themselves are not part of it. Grow up and learn how to listen instead of ramming your opinion down peoples throats on an internet message forum. If some of ya'll act this way in real life I don't ever want to ever spend any amount of time with you in a cockpit.

This going to get flushed soon?
 
CLR4ILS said:
DE72
OOOoohhhhh...dissin a "UPS" pilot. Get over yourself.


I know I have said it in the past that I have a very good friend that is senior to you at UPS. He and I have viewed your posts together. He knows who you are and he says your views with respect to schools like FlightSafety and their advanced airline programs are way off. Not to mention attempting to compare your little FBO school to FSA. He said you are an idiot that thinks he is cool always throwing out the "UPS" card.

I think he is right.


With respect to the "other" FSA guy, could care less...... I know all of the management at FSA and they know CLR4ILS. I used to work with them. They too find your views and comparison of your FBO school to FSA very entertaining.


I told you before Don, I have met many sharp low time pilots and I have met several idiots that managed to make it to the majors.

Where do you fit into that equation again?

And it's CLR4ILS.... Not Cleared4ILS..
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Ahhhh, and who do YOU fly for again? Oh yeah that's right ...
 
This is almost as good as watching a re-run of the Boondocks. All we need is ,A pimp Named Slickback, to chime in and, Huey, to mediate.
 
"He said you are an idiot that thinks he is cool always throwing out the "UPS" card"

Oh yeah? Maybe he'd like to come to this site and state his opinion, then. We could use more UPS and Fedex guys. So your UPS friend knows me, thinks I'm an idiot, but has never said anything to me about it? I'll sure to keep my eyes open the the UPS pilot senior to me who thinks I'm an idiot.

I don't think I throw out the "UPS card" anymore than you mention FSA. People like to know where folks are coming from, what they fly, and who they work for. It's natural for me to mention UPS but you seem to think I should keep it a secret who I work for?

I think it's interesting that you call me by my first name. I make no attempt to hide my identy behind an anonymous website. I think it would be great if you told us who you are. You're so outspoken in what you believe, like me, you should have nothing to hide, like me.

By the way, I really never had a flight school. I used to own four planes and rented them out to free lance CFI's. I let that go when I moved to Spokane. Almost had something going over here about a year ago but it fell through. Just as well as I'd rather be doing other things. But there is no doubt in my mind, I mean none, that with one airplane, one desktop sim, and me as a CFII, that I can train an instrument rating as well as an FSA guy at half the price. Get you some real life experience outside of Florida to go along with it.

My second to the last IFR student, a couple of years ago, is a checkairman at Amflight now. How are your students doing coming along these days?
 
Seriously-

Some of you guys better be glad that folks with experience show up to Jetcareers to answer questions because on many other aviation web sites, professional pilots won't because they don't want to spend their off time verbally wrestling with 18 year old know-it-alls. And on the other sites that pro pilots frequent, there's no way you can ask a question without getting flamed to the hilt.

Most of the pros we have here are refugees from some of those other sites. The more you steer this site towards the environment of those sites which they left, the less they'll come around.

Choose wisely.
 
I had real hopes for this thread when Nazi's were mentioned on the first page! I knew it would be an excellent flame war then :)

Look at all this just because some faker troll came in here and asked about the fastest way to get to an airline job. ROFL!
 
"Look at all this just because some faker troll came in here and asked about the fastest way to get to an airline job"

Maybe you're right. I didn't see Supercell as a "faker troll", just another wannabe that's read one to many Flying magazine ads or spent too much time at one of the big academy markeing websites.

How do you spot them so easily?
 
pilot602 said:
You are just a sparkling example of what NOT to turn out to be in life.

Spend $80,000 at FSI, can't land a flying job and then brag about how great FSI is and how great your life is yet you still hang out and post on a pilot web site tying to vicariously live the "life" you so ignorantly put down.

Wow.
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Who spent $80k? Certainly wasn't me. Can't land a flying job? You have to apply first. You know nothing about my time, qualifications, and experience in A/C. There is plenty to have the job if I wish.

I am not putting down the "life" of a pilot and I am not trying to live it through this site.

If DE wants to mock me with respect to "flight training" knowledge like he did in this thread then he will get the flame right back plain and simple.


My apologies to those who would have rather read about the original post instead of watch DE and I go at it.

Game over...
ILS
 
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