Advanced Airline Pilot Programs

Doug Taylor said:
Fastest way to become a doctor? Go to a Jamaican medical school.

Seriously, don't continuously ask the same question over and over until you get an answer you like, this isn't that type of a website.

If you want a straight answer from a professional, ask away.

But if you're looking for a 'school counselor'-style answer to a question, this isn't the place.
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yea, kinda learned the hard way, thanks ne ways, lol
 
You'd get a more lively response if you posted this same question on

www.flightinfo.com

please post on here when you do, I'll be making popcorn.

On a serious note, I think for now with all the furloughs etc... the time of people getting on at a regional with 500TT is over for a while. If you really wanna know a fast way there is always mesa capt program but those who've done it that I know hate it. Stuck at a crappy company making crappy pay with the inability to upgrade for years due to lack of TT.

If you don't mind me asking are you currently in an aviation program?
 
Dang, first post has to be like this...

Anyhow, why is everyone rushing these days..Im probably gonna get a lot of slack for this but go about it like everyone else, get a degree, instruct, get to a regional and do it that way....I mean im no expert or anything but with the way things are going so what if you get to a regional with 500tt..Thats all great and you get a nice little uniform, but then wat. Your gonna be pushing gear levers for 10 years in the right seat...not that is wrong or anything...god im gonna get hammered for that little comment.. Anyhow, the people here are the biggest experts in the world when it comes to these things. They have lived it and are living it now, so listen to them and not some aritcle in the latest flying magazine...

Now thats over, sorry it took me so long to post here. Guess i was scared or something..Ive probably been lurking for over 5 years, lol..Doug probably hates me for that. But anyhow, a safe holiday season to everyone...


Nick
 
supercell86 said:
Thanks for the replies.....but some of you are getting a bit confused.....my question is what is the FASTEST way to the reginols....not the BEST way, as bad as that sounds i was just wondering....im in college now, have my PPL, and working on the INST rating, and i prob. will end up going to college for 2-4 yrs.....but as i said what is the FASTEST way to the reginols...not the BEST way....thanks alot....
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Dude...think about what you're saying.

People that do something strictly the fastest way, without considering quality, aren't very well respected in life. And that goes for any career or activity, not just flying. Is that really what you want?

If your mom rides on a plane, does she deserve to have the fastest, cheapest, most minimally qualified pilot? Or does she deserve the BEST? Do you want to be the fastest, most minimally qualified guy? Or do you want to be the best guy?

Throw out all the arguments about what Pay For Training does to the industry, the safety of low time pilots in jets, the respect you will or will not get...throw all that out for a minute. Think about if you're going to be able to look back on how you got to where you are five years from now and be satisfied with the way things went.

Personally, if I took the absolute fastest way to get into a jet cockpit, I doubt I would be happy with what I had done. You have to consider what is going to make you proud of yourself down the road, not just the easiest way to accomplish Goal A, Goal B, and Goal C.
 
Aviator737 said:
Supercell, I know it's difficult to understand why all these cool guys with a job you want are telling you to wait on flying (or at least jet flying) and go to college now. I was in the exact same position a year ago - I was absolutely determined to be at a regional airline by the age of 21. I didn't care about college, I just wanted to be behind the yoke of a jet. I would do everything I could to reason to myself why it was better to go to flight school rather than college - this despite the fact that almost every single pilot I talked to said "go to college!" I even started the ATP program, and halfway through the cross-country time-building phase, discontinued. Why? It finally hit me I'd be doing this for forty years, staring at instruments day in and day out. Fun, yes, but ... well it gets kinda old, too. Sometimes I woulda just as soon been on the ground hanging out with friends or playing my Playstation 2. When you're being thrown around by dispatch (or turbulence), forced to sleep in a hotel room far from home, it gets you thinking, "Maybe a 9-5 office job and a weekend 172 would be better after all."

As DE727 said, if you want to fly something bigger than a CRJ someday, you're gonna need a bachelor's degree. Period. As for online school, I've taken two online classes, and I did not enjoy them at all. I won't take any more if I can help it. They are much more difficult than on-campus classes. You can't raise your hand and ask a question. You can't see your professor do sample problems on the board. You can't lean over to the classmate sitting next to you and ask them to explain something.

Obviously, it's a decision you have to make for yourself. But don't make a decision you think you might regret. Enjoy your time NOW - you can't go back, you won't be 19 or 20 again. If you go to college, and enjoy the experience college offers, work on your ratings on the side (or as part of a degree program), and get hired when you're 23 - you'll still have thirty-seven years to stare at instruments.
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YEAH... THAT ^ (btw, how do I get the "yeah that" smiley on this new forum?)

I actually finished ATP when I was 18 and have been flying around now for 2 years. I took a semester of college before I got a full time CFI job, but looking back... I wish I would have stayed in college.... I'm now back home in SoCal and plan to stay here instructing while I get my degree. He's right... you'll only be this age once.... all my friends are in college and enjoying the experience (with the exception of all the papers they write, haha).

Oh, and about RAA... I'm going to get a student in January who is in the process of leaving RAA because their airplanes suck and it's ending up costing him way too much. Anyway, to answer one of your original questions, RAA is just throwing a sales pitch at you... they just want your money. I once replied to an ad for a CFI position and they tried selling me the CRJ in return for a job... RAA is money hungry, but then again... in aviation, which company isn't?

I say... take your time.... unless you have some sort of terminal-illness, there is no reason to rush things
 
supercell86 said:
I was thinking however, of just being an Airline Pilot for about 10-20 years, and then doing something else for the Aviation industry, whether it be managemnet, ATC, or somethign else
If you want to get into ATC, you have to be hired before your 31, or be a prior military controller. You know I thought that the fastest was the best too. In fact I was really proud of my self that I got my PPL in 42 hours. WOW...I must be shat hot. Then when I started my instrument I realized that I cheated myself, and my old instructor failed to teach me a lot of things I needed to know. So although it was fast, it certainly wasn't the best, and in the end, you'll pay for it. Good Luck.
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nc1982 said:
Dang, first post has to be like this...
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Nick
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Hey Nick! Welcome!
Now that you've got your feet wet, dive in and join the fun.
:)
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If you're in aviation for 10 yrs then quit you'll have barely stopped 'paying your dues' when you bail. Have a good career!
 
nick......good post seriously man......i no i should just goto 4 yr college and instruct, and everything.....and i may end up just taking the "safe" route......but god, i got a bad case of "get thereitis" in terms of getting to the airlines.....and i mean really bad.....not only do i love flying to death......but i love the airlines and airports, i have the same feeling everytime i goto the airport since i was 3.....i love being around so many diff. types of people....lol, cause im different, its the flying....but its alot of other things.....meeting new people. .....trying to make the best out of everything.........thats y i love everything about it, not just the flying..........yes i am in an aviation program.....a college in NY....im working on my instrument rating......lol....hard stuff, but i have crystal ball....and it says im the 1 in 4!:) lol
 
it probably won't cure the 'get there itis", but only about 45% of my job is actually flying.

Even better, ask MikeD, who is a pilot in the USAF, how much he actually flies in an average month.
 
jrh said:
Dude...think about what you're saying.

People that do something strictly the fastest way, without considering quality, aren't very well respected in life. And that goes for any career or activity, not just flying. Is that really what you want?

If your mom rides on a plane, does she deserve to have the fastest, cheapest, most minimally qualified pilot? Or does she deserve the BEST? Do you want to be the fastest, most minimally qualified guy? Or do you want to be the best guy?

Throw out all the arguments about what Pay For Training does to the industry, the safety of low time pilots in jets, the respect you will or will not get...throw all that out for a minute. Think about if you're going to be able to look back on how you got to where you are five years from now and be satisfied with the way things went.

Personally, if I took the absolute fastest way to get into a jet cockpit, I doubt I would be happy with what I had done. You have to consider what is going to make you proud of yourself down the road, not just the easiest way to accomplish Goal A, Goal B, and Goal C.
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The FAA will take of that......If a person goes thru all of the requirments, than yes i dont care how inexperienced they are....the captain is on board also.......o god this is gunna get bashed on, but w/e
 
Doug Taylor said:
it probably won't cure the 'get there itis", but only about 45% of my job is actually flying.

Even better, ask MikeD, who is a pilot in the USAF, how much he actually flies in an average month.
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exactly.....so when people say that they realize all they will be doing for the next 37 yrs is fly and look at instruments, do they not take everythign else into consideration, i no everyone hates people, but no matter how stupid they are, i learn to laugh at it...believe me, i was a sales rep once....you think being a pilot is bad.....haha, try just answering dumb questions 40 hrs per week, non-stop......atleast the questions u get u can laugh about, or atleast should laugh about if you really liek flying.......
 
Between running an aviation website and being around an airport most of my week, I see plenty.
 
Lord no.

Last thing is another captain browsing the website, showing up for the rotation and screaming "Hey! You tell (insert user name here) to kiss my (blank)!" :)
 
Doug Taylor said:
Lord no.

Last thing is another captain browsing the website, showing up for the rotation and screaming "Hey! You tell (insert user name here) to kiss my (blank)!" :)
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Eh, they'd all be harmless until the age 60 mandatory came up, then it'd be ugly.
 
Most of the internet-savvy captains are certainly on the radical side.

It's usually "Hey, aren't you that guy from the website?" followed by "WTF is up with (username)?!"
 
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