AAG to Transfer Envoy ERJ-145s to TSA and Piedmont

J Cole said:
I went and found the original TA language to be sure. Here it is:

a. Except as provided in paragraph 1.c., below, Captain pay will be capped at 12 Years of Service on the Captain pay rate scales or the pilot's actual years of service on that date, whichever is greater; and

b. First officer pay will be capped at 4 Years of Service on the First officer pay rate scales or the pilot's actual years of service on that date, whichever is greater, provided the First Officer pay scale will remain at 8 years through 12/31/2015. Effective 1/1/2016, the pay scale will be reduced by 1 year each 12 months until the pay scale is finally capped at 4 years on 1/1/2019.

c. A Captain with 15 or more years of service when the first EMB- 175 jet aircraft is placed on the Company's operating certificate will continue to accrue longevity for purposes of pay until he reaches 18 years of service, subject to paragraph C.2., below.
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Which TA was this?
 
Just wait till management beats this pilot group down to the point where they accept an 11/3 scale and start taking flying from your regional. With the support some other pilot groups show Envoy, I'd love to see it.
 
DetPilot said:
Just wait till management beats this pilot group down to the point where they accept an 11/3 scale and start taking flying from your regional. With the support some other pilot groups show Envoy, I'd love to see it.
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That ship has sailed my friend. At this point you can wish in one hand and crap in the other, see which gets filled first.
 
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meyers9163 said:
He's sadly my co worker at AA already....
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I don't want to get into "that" argument here, and maybe you know some more inner details, but he was outed as being none other than cujos other screen name. Again, don't want to get into that argument and not sure if it was settled, but that's the last I heard. If it is the case then mason is an eagle pilot, not AA.
 
TSA and PSA are staffing now, but keep in mind people are going there because of the short upgrades. When >50% of the airplanes have been transferred, with the short upgrades stopped, I wouldn't count on classes being full. We won't really know for another year or two I guess.

My prediction...

Eagle with cease to exist provided Dougie & CO can staff the ERJs at other places. I would expect another announcement if a larger regional sheds a bunch of airframes, heck he might even transfer the remaining 68 to XJT to shut down Eagle completely. This is purely out of spite for you guys. Remember what DAL did to Comair?

The inly reason mainline has leverage is because they still (kinda) have scope. The regionals don't have scope, they don't have leverage. I totally understand Eagle saying no, it's insane to vote in concessions when your parent company is making unprecedented profits, but you have to separate profits from leverage.
 
Skyvector said:
Not exactly. Although they will deny it now, they all voted NO thinking the company was bluffing. The general consensus was that nobody else could replace us because of some fairy tale shortage. Even though there was evidence to the contrary such as full classes at Mesa and PSA. Of course our MEC weaseled their way out of that by convincing everyone those airlines were down to phone interviews and scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Nobody believed a NO vote would result in what is happening now. Many are simply shifting gears to cover their tracks and hoping nobody notices.
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You're painting with a broad brush.
 
There are many 30 year old pilots that don't want to "career advance to the Majors."

Has it ever crossed some of your 20 year old minds that many pilots are older mid-late 30's and want a regional airline career?
 
ScorpioStinger said:
Some people don't want to career advance to the Majors...

Has it ever crossed some of your 20 year old minds that many pilots are older mid-late 30's and want a regional airline career?
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Are the regionals really meant to be a place to make a career? Just because someone wants to make a career there doesn't mean that it is a wise choice.

There is no disrespect meant to any regional pilots when I say this, but isn't saying that you want to make a career in the Regionals about like saying that you only want to be a minor-league baseball player and never make it to the big leagues?
 
tbstanto said:
Are the regionals really meant to be a place to make a career? Just because someone wants to make a career there doesn't mean that it is a wise choice.

There is no disrespect meant to any regional pilots when I say this, but isn't saying that you want to make a career in the Regionals about like saying that you only want to be a minor-league baseball player and never make it to the big leagues?
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Job security, senority, comfort, base of choice, family, kids, school, community, neighborhood, church, QOL....

To answer your question, yes. Not everyone is looking for $100,000+ down the road Big 3 major airline gig. Some are comfortable with $70,0000 - $90,000 regional captain pay w/consistent QOL & family structure.

I know... Regionals come and go now.
 
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And they are certainly able to stay in the regionals as long as they want to. They can move from one to another, and take cuts and concessions, or lose their jobs.

The regionals do not own their flying. Period. It is not the PILOTS fault, it is how the system works.
 
ScorpioStinger said:
Job security, senority, comfort, base of choice, family, kids, school, community, neighborhood, church, QOL....

To answer your question, yes. Not everyone is looking for $100,000+ down the road Big 3 major airline gig. Some are comfortable with $70,0000 - $90,000 regional captain pay w/consistent QOL & family structure.

I know... Regionals come and go now.
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Job security simply doesn't exist at the regional.

I could see your point if you're talking about much older pilots. At that point it might not be worth investing in the lower pay and QOL to move on.

But in your 30s and 40s you're just painting you and your family into a really crappy corner down the road.

You can literally do the exact same job for way more money and be treated better while doing it. It's a no brainer.
 
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ScorpioStinger said:
Job security, senority, comfort, base of choice, family, kids, school, community, neighborhood, church, QOL....

To answer your question, yes. Not everyone is looking for $100,000+ down the road Big 3 major airline gig. Some are comfortable with $70,0000 - $90,000 regional captain pay w/consistent QOL & family structure.

I know... Regionals come and go now.
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I understand what you're saying, but the problem is what others mentioned above: zero job security. When you don't control the flying, it can disappear overnight. Securing career advancement should be the goal of every regional pilot group. If you're focused on getting better pay, you're just going to put yourself out of a job. That's just the business model. Get that flow through, and move on up. And don't wait for the flow, either. If you can get out sooner, then get out!
 
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