Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
As someone who has escaped and doesn't appear to be taking a "what can I do to help?" angle, I keep wondering why you seem to be so interested in what happens at the regional level.
AAG to Transfer Envoy CRJ-700s to PSA
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As someone who has escaped and doesn't appear to be taking a "what can I do to help?" angle, I keep wondering why you seem to be so interested in what happens at the regional level.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Please search the post history, I've more than tried to help when it comes to current Co. only to be hit with the negatives of non-union, lowest paid 320 drivers, etc. etc.
If anyone is interested I'd do what I can. No hiring at the moment but 5 planes in 2015 and 5 in 2016 will be delivered from July '15 - June '16. I'd say that's at least 60 upgrades and probably 60-100 FOs. This hiring will most likely start interviewing in the first quarter with classes around March or so. As usual it's aviation so it's all subject to change.
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
If that's the case, I'm sorry I missed that.
At a cursory glance it appears to be more of a "oooooohhhh damn, they did WHAT!?!?!" kind of interest.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Yes, and a bunch of them have moved on, because they doubt that'll be happening anytime soon.
Aviator1988
Well-Known Member
Got it from the projected flow date on the updated seniority list as of 9/12/14. And yes, I know projected flow isn't worth what it's printed on, just stating what it says. the last pilot on the list is projected to go July 2020. The projection is based at 29 a month and assuming nobody leaves the company, and everybody chooses to go. There are 2585 total pilots on the list and 1982 of those pilots are eligible. Looks like 400 or so have elected to go, and another 350 or so have declined so far.
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surreal1221
Well-Known Member
C_C has been helpful. However, there is only so much a line pilot can do when the company in which he is employed is not hiring a ton of pilots every month.
bretthullrampage
Well-Known Member
Gotcha. Im in the tail end of the protect group and my projected date is April 2023. This of course is according the companies estimate when they tried to get us to sign this deal.
cstewart6
Just smart enough to operate the machines
and why is that?
Seggy
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Seggy
Well-Known Member
Yep!
BE19Pilot
Flying a Box
You keep believing that if it allows you to sleep at night...You're so steeped in ALPA dogma that you have lost the ability to accept the fact that ALPA has been a failure in negotiating contracts for it's members. Unless of course you work for UAL or DAL. Union cronyism is alive and well in Herndon. So, unless ALPA decides to have a convention to amend it's by-laws and drop this association model. I don't think you are going to stem the flow of pilots that are being alienated until ALPA changes the paradigm currently in place. But, we both know that the cronies in Herndon would never ever think of upsetting the apple cart. They have too much at stake in keeping things just the way they are.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
The people in Herndon don't give a damn what structure the union has. They'll work under whatever structure the pilots setup. But what you don't want to accept is that pilots are the ones who want the current structure, because they're anal-retentive control freaks who insist on having full autonomy at their individual carriers. Look in the mirror, not at the people in Herndon.
Trip7
Well-Known Member
Wooo, here we have plenty of emotion, venom.... and very little facts
BE19Pilot
Flying a Box
No venom here...I am simply stating the way I see it, and I am not asking you or anyone else to agree or disagree. And, the results of the last 7 years with contracts should speak to themselves as factual. The very people that complain about the whipsaw, are the same ones that like the association structure of individual bargaining units that recognizes the autonomy and individual needs of each pilot group. However, industry has changed, the rules industry uses in securing their labor has changed and ALPA has not. You cannot have it both ways; STW and addressing the needs and desires of an individual pilot group.
I have heard all the propaganda from the horse's mouth, bought into it ( somewhat ). Pilots vote, and choose a contract or amendment that suits them. And, every time in recent history the result IS venom from everyone else. If this doesn't speak to some serious, systemic problems with how ALPA does it's business, I cannot think of anything that does. I am not going fall into some group-think mentality and become an ALPA cheerleader just to "fit in".
I have heard all the propaganda from the horse's mouth, bought into it ( somewhat ). Pilots vote, and choose a contract or amendment that suits them. And, every time in recent history the result IS venom from everyone else. If this doesn't speak to some serious, systemic problems with how ALPA does it's business, I cannot think of anything that does. I am not going fall into some group-think mentality and become an ALPA cheerleader just to "fit in".
Seggy
Well-Known Member
ALPA has it's issues for sure, at all carriers. However, the fact of the matter is the folks at our former airline are making more, even under a bankruptcy contract, than they were as a non-unionized airline pilot before. They also have better career opportunities (both internal and external) than if they moved from the Beech 1900 to Saab.
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Yeah, at the expense of every XJ and 9E pilot. No way would I ever put my family on a Colgan plane, and even before the 2009 crash.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
The ARW MEC does a fantastic job of representing their pilots.
And what happens when ARW is not chosen to receive any 70 seaters because their MEC does a fantastic job of turning down an offered substandard rate in order to hold the line?
amorris311
Well-Known Member
Why? What was your benchmark for making a statement like that? Tread lightly on this one considering your background. I would not compare your previous employer as an exemplary standard to aviation safety.