AAG to Transfer Envoy CRJ-700s to PSA

hcaeborev said:
See the title of this thread:

PSA had 49 acft when the vote took place. AAG just transferred 47 acft.

PSA would not have gotten acft.

I think PSA would have been made an example of and possibly forced Eagle into voting yes.
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I disagree. PSA was already cheaper than Envoy and management had already stated their intentions of getting rid of the CRJ's at Envoy. PSA was destined to get new aircraft.
 
CFIscare said:
I disagree. PSA was already cheaper than Envoy and management had already stated their intentions of getting rid of the CRJ's at Envoy. PSA was destined to get new aircraft.
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Well, that would be a gamble.

PSA decided not to gamble and go with the sure thing.

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The payoff on the gamble wouldn't have been as large for PSA in the "gamble" situation.
 
I think we need to decouple the idea that it's solely about costs. American is going to put the aircraft where they want them and leave us to "fill in the blanks" for the reasoning behind it.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Come on, join us in reality! Offer a 250 hour flight instructor a job flying a jet for $23k/yr, he's going to take it. You can try to fight reality all you want, but you're always going to lose.
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Exactly. And as long as ATP flight school, and those university flight schools still exist, there are pilots in the pipeline. Mgt just has to sell the we'll be hiring at mainline for the next 30 years, and you'll have people lining up at these regionals for a shot at going to mainline one day.

Then you have kick ass guys like me that have to be there for now.
 
Derg said:
I think we need to decouple the idea that it's solely about costs. American is going to put the aircraft where they want them and leave us to "fill in the blanks" for the reasoning behind it.
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This is true. After the CMR strike I think all legacies got very concerned about consolidating feed. Envoy was/is too big. Big leads to high costs AND exposure to risk of a disruption.

A corporation has a responsibility to it's shareholders to maximize revenue and minimize risk. Yes, it sucks for the guys getting stepped on, but that's how stuff works in a capitalistic system.
 
every pilot on the eagle seniority list prior to Oct 11, 2011 is a protected pilot and has flow to AA. Current contract goes til 2021 with the last of the protected pilots scheduled to flow in jul of 2020. so... pending the typical end of the world, economic collapse, etc. scenario, what else is there to worry about? Other than not being able to fly shiny jets of course.
 
Aviator1988 said:
every pilot on the eagle seniority list prior to Oct 11, 2011 is a protected pilot and has flow to AA. Current contract goes til 2021 with the last of the protected pilots scheduled to flow in jul of 2020. so... pending the typical end of the world, economic collapse, etc. scenario, what else is there to worry about? Other than not being able to fly shiny jets of course.
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Curious, how'd you come to the Jul 2020 date? By my math only 1500 will flow between now and then.
 
Derg said:
I think we need to decouple the idea that it's solely about costs. American is going to put the aircraft where they want them and leave us to "fill in the blanks" for the reasoning behind it.
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No, not "solely" about costs, but mostly. American, like Delta, will want to diversify its feed for obvious reasons, but Envoy had an opportunity to keep more flying and passed it by. Costs have a whole lot to do with it, so it would be a mistake to think that the actions of pilots in how they vote and negotiate won't have an effect on where airplanes go.
 
Aviator1988 said:
every pilot on the eagle seniority list prior to Oct 11, 2011 is a protected pilot and has flow to AA. Current contract goes til 2021 with the last of the protected pilots scheduled to flow in jul of 2020. so... pending the typical end of the world, economic collapse, etc. scenario, what else is there to worry about? Other than not being able to fly shiny jets of course.
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Yes, just like for every 1 in 2 class positions at AA would go to Eagle pilots before 9/11. I wouldn't hedge my bets on it.
 
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