AAG "Special Investor Update" Tomorrow, 11 July

SurferLucas said:
Bullet dodged...:eek2: (Sorry to get people worked up, just when they announce a "special update" out of the blue on the same day a new TA passes...)

Now let's all get back to talking about important things...like bewbies and tacos.
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SurferLucas said:
Bullet dodged...:eek2: (Sorry to get people worked up, just when they announce a "special update" out of the blue on the same day a new TA passes...)

Now let's all get back to talking about important things...like bewbies and tacos.
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Your conspiracy theories didnt pan out again? haha If you don't like us so much why don't you just come join us? You might see we're not all that bad, mostly a nice group of pilots just trying to earn an honest living.
 
mrivc211 said:
Your conspiracy theories didnt pan out again? haha If you don't like us so much why don't you just come join us? You might see we're not all that bad, mostly a nice group of pilots just trying to earn an honest living.
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Please enlighten me to the 'again' part...it was sheer luck by way of attrition that we didn't furlough (again) after it was announced that our CRJ's were going to Skywest/SureJet. Have you ever had to face a furlough or live through one? It's easy to call everyone crazy when your company is getting airplanes from others and they're the ones that end on the street.

Seeing as how AS management has made it known that Scope wasn't up for bargaining, and they've been known to talk about having larger 'RJ's' flown by someone other than AS pilots...please tell me where any of us went wrong in thinking that this could be a possible outcome for today? Thankfully it didn't, but some of us are just waiting for 'the other shoe to drop'. ask pete2800 how he feels about the situation, or pdxcfi.

AS pilots just signed a TA that affords them protection in their current 73's and future 73's. There is nothing to prtocect them from having AAG sign an agreement with SkyWest, Republic, etc for something larger than the CRJ700.

I'm not buying into our managements assertion that SkyWest is our 'frenemy' and that we should be happy that we get PBP off of them where as they don't...sorry, the koolaid was skunked a long time ago.
 
Whaaaat? Missed something. What's going on? Where did you read all this?

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SurferLucas said:
Please enlighten me to the 'again' part...it was sheer luck by way of attrition that we didn't furlough (again) after it was announced that our CRJ's were going to Skywest/SureJet. Have you ever had to face a furlough or live through one? It's easy to call everyone crazy when your company is getting airplanes from others and they're the ones that end on the street.

Seeing as how AS management has made it known that Scope wasn't up for bargaining, and they've been known to talk about having larger 'RJ's' flown by someone other than AS pilots...please tell me where any of us went wrong in thinking that this could be a possible outcome for today? Thankfully it didn't, but some of us are just waiting for 'the other shoe to drop'. ask pete2800 how he feels about the situation, or pdxcfi.

AS pilots just signed a TA that affords them protection in their current 73's and future 73's. There is nothing to prtocect them from having AAG sign an agreement with SkyWest, Republic, etc for something larger than the CRJ700.

I'm not buying into our managements assertion that SkyWest is our 'frenemy' and that we should be happy that we get PBP off of them where as they don't...sorry, the koolaid was skunked a long time ago.
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I'm sorry. Wishing for the old days of Koult.
 
skyw82 said:
try
try flying with a crew hired before you were born.
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It'll take a little while for that (operational date, 1987), but I can see it happening. I think I've flown with 1 or 2 Captains who are younger than me, and most new hire FAs are younger than me (21-23).
 
Step away from the crack pipe man. Your gonna have a heart attack if you don't enjoy life a little more :)
 
SurferLucas said:
Bullet dodged...:eek2: (Sorry to get people worked up, just when they announce a "special update" out of the blue on the same day a new TA passes...)
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Your first clue that there was no "there there" should have been the fact that ALA's original contract had virtually no scope protections to start with, and the new CBA had some minor improvements in scope. If AAG wanted to do anything with Alaska's flying, they didn't need this new TA. So why would they wait until after it was signed to make some big announcement of outsourcing flying? The last thing management wants to do is lend legitimacy to the conspiracy kooks that made up the 33%. If they were going to outsource a bunch of flying, they would have done it long before there was a TA, or they'll do it long after a new TA is signed.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Your first clue that there was no "there there" should have been the fact that ALA's original contract had virtually no scope protections to start with, and the new CBA had some minor improvements in scope. If AAG wanted to do anything with Alaska's flying, they didn't need this new TA. So why would they wait until after it was signed to make some big announcement of outsourcing flying? The last thing management wants to do is lend legitimacy to the conspiracy kooks that made up the 33%. If they were going to outsource a bunch of flying, they would have done it long before there was a TA, or they'll do it long after a new TA is signed.
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Didn't seem to be the position yesterday in Seattle, Todd. Out of the 10 or so AS pilots I talked to yesterday between my commute and being at SeaTac, as well as the former QX pilots who are new at AS...it was 'prepare for the worst and hopefully it wont happen'.

These are the same types that were responsible for the firing of nearly 500 rampers in 2005, which was in violation of their contract...so no, I wouldn't put anything past them, honestly.

http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2008098978_alaska08.html
 
SurferLucas said:
Didn't seem to be the position yesterday in Seattle, Todd. Out of the 10 or so AS pilots I talked to yesterday between my commute and being at SeaTac, as well as the former QX pilots who are new at AS...it was 'prepare for the worst and hopefully it wont happen'.
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Is that why it ratified by a 2 to 1 margin?
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Is that why it ratified by a 2 to 1 margin?
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Direct quote from someone the FB..still waiting to hear on what the total participation number is, "TA ratified at 67%. Typical in that the senior guys threw the junior guys under the bus. Really though, it's a lose lose contract. If you vote for it you get a crappy deal. If you vote against it you lose money and it may take time to get a new one."
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Is that why it ratified by a 2 to 1 margin?
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No, it ratified because people are dumb.

We're all still screwed. Maybe not today, but eventually. Wait until Alaska starts parking the -400's. Then the -700's. All of their orders are for 800/900's. When the smallest thing they have is an -800, you can bet your ass they'll be looking for a medium sized jet to fill the gap. And they likely won't feel like paying mainline wages to operate them.

From my experience at an Air Group company, I'd be nervous as hell right now if I was a junior guy at Alaska.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Is that why it ratified by a 2 to 1 margin?
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67% with 93% voting is the number I saw. That's hardly 2 to 1.

I agree that AS had no scope protection before and AAG was free to do whatever they wanted. I think that is all the more reason to push for scope this time around. But that's just me and I'm not on the lower end of the legacy 737 payscale so my priorities might be a bit different.
 
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