AA Wholly Owned Upgrade/Flow

bLizZuE said:
If the upgrades touch 2010 hires, then yes, on paper we will have a 6 year upgrade, down from 8 due to no hiring from May 2008 to April 2010. However, when those 2010 hires actually hit the line it might be closer to a true 7 year upgrade.

We only have about 100 ish people left that were 2010 hires so I would expect the upgrade to go to 5/6 years next year.

The junior upgrade right now is the CRJ, not the 175, and no upgrade times are significantly shorter than any other, maybe 100-150 numbers difference, which might represent 1 year of seniority max.
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Thanks for the useful information! Where the heck is recruiting getting this 2.5 year upgrade they've been feeding me for the last 6 months?
 
flybywp said:
Thanks for the useful information! Where the heck is recruiting getting this 2.5 year upgrade they've been feeding me for the last 6 months?
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What the upgrade time is NOW at any airline doesn't mean what the upgrade time will be for current new hires. The envoy upgrade time is overly optimistic based on projections for flow, attrition and new hires. Honestly if envoy could actually hire enough, upgrade time and flow really would plummet, not 2.5, but it wouldn't be far off. Huge if though.


Any airline that has a short upgrade time NOW probably means you missed it. You have to look at attrition and future growth. If people don't leave senior to you, or if more planes don't arrive, then your seniority progression is stagnant.
 
I wouldn't go to any of the AAG wholly owned regionals. AAG is earning record profits in spite of Doug Parker, not because of him. This whole thing is looking like it has the potential to turn into a train wreck by this time next year.
 
I will say this. At the regional level there is a lot of pressure to get "butts in seats" so some, not saying Envoy, will basically tell you anything you want to hear in order to get you to sign on the dotted line.

For example, upgrade time at SouthernJets is as an all time low. HOWEVER, you'd better enjoy NYC because you're not bidding out of there for years and no one cares that you have a newborn and you reeeeeeeally want to Minneapolis.

PIC isn't the discrimator like it was in previous years and I'd just focus on finding the right working environment as each airline has a very distinct culture.

YMMV
 
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bLizZuE said:
It's not polite for me to say where I believe they're getting this information.
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Everyone's favorite TAO-turned-politican-turned-TAO-again-turned-mutineer?
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Either I'm old or way out of the loop because I have no clue what you just said.
 
I guess I am one of few piedmont pilots on this forum. flybywp, the question you ask in regard with the upgrade time at Piedmont, as today, is about 2 months for Dash 8 fleet, about 2 years for EMB 145. Signing bonus will not hand it to you prior your completion of initial training. If my memory serves me correctly.

Please feel free to message me for more details.
 
adreamer said:
I guess I am one of few piedmont pilots on this forum. flybywp, the question you ask in regard with the upgrade time at Piedmont, as today, is about 2 months for Dash 8 fleet, about 2 years for EMB 145. Signing bonus will not hand it to you prior your completion of initial training. If my memory serves me correctly.

Please feel free to message me for more details.
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**if** you have 1000 hours 121, right?
 
Derg said:
HOWEVER, you'd better enjoy NYC because you're not bidding out of there for years and no one cares that you have a newborn and you reeeeeeeally want to Minneapolis.

YMMV
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MSP sucks. It really does.

NYC is a fantastic place to be based.
 
GypsyPilot said:
I've spent a lot of time in both places, and was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed the Twin Cities. St Paul in particular was a lot of fun! The people are super nice, and very athletic/active for the Midwest. Reminded me very much of Denver actually.
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Don't tell him. Let him enjoy living in the swamp.
 
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