A330 Almost Takes Off From Newark Taxiway

Turkish has a horrible safety record. I would not recommend loved ones flying them. They smashed up an A330 in Nepal a few years back, not to mention the 737 crash, A320 almost crash, and probably more just off the top of my head.

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Skåning said:
Turkish has a horrible safety record. I would not recommend loved ones flying them. They smashed up an A330 in Nepal a few years back, not to mention the 737 crash, A320 almost crash, and probably more just off the top of my head.

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Well...I guess, but honestly, given that they fly to the parts of the world that no other major airline will touch (cities surrounded by ISIS in years past, Sudan, Somalia, etc) and have only had a handful of incidents in recent decades despite having more daily flights than most airlines on earth, I wouldn't think twice about flying on TK honestly. To a safe destination, at least. Lol.
 
Skåning said:
Turkish has a horrible safety record. I would not recommend loved ones flying them. They smashed up an A330 in Nepal a few years back, not to mention the 737 crash, A320 almost crash, and probably more just off the top of my head.

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ChasenSFO said:
Well...I guess, but honestly, given that they fly to the parts of the world that no other major airline will touch (cities surrounded by ISIS in years past, Sudan, Somalia, etc) and have only had a handful of incidents in recent decades despite having more daily flights than most airlines on earth, I wouldn't think twice about flying on TK honestly. To a safe destination, at least. Lol.
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Compared to some other European carriers they really aren't that bad to work with from my perspective either.

Although a lot of foreign carriers sometimes have issues clearing the runway in a timely manner, even when the tower controller issues initial taxi instructions.

Tower: KLM123 heavy cross RY 22R at J, taxi straight on A to the ramp.

KLM123 crosses at J, holds short of B, tail still hanging over the runway.

Tower: KLM123 get moving I need you off the runway NOW.

No response.

Ground (transmitting in the blind): KLM123 heavy taxi NOW, straight ahead A to the ramp.

KLM123: Roger, we are parking at gate B36.

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greg1016 said:
Compared to some other European carriers they really aren't that bad to work with from my perspective either.

Although a lot of foreign carriers sometimes have issues clearing the runway in a timely manner, even when the tower controller issues initial taxi instructions.

Tower: KLM123 heavy cross RY 22R at J, taxi straight on A to the ramp.

KLM123 crosses at J, holds short of B, tail still hanging over the runway.

Tower: KLM123 get moving I need you off the runway NOW.

No response.

Ground (transmitting in the blind): KLM123 heavy taxi NOW, straight ahead A to the ramp.

KLM123: Roger, we are parking at gate B36.

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We talk all this ish, but honestly, Virgin Atlantic 747s are the only aircraft I've seen come to a COMPLETE stop on landing at SFO more than once. Yes, they won't smack the seawall, but I've never seen Asiana cause a go around because they decided to come to a full stop then every so gently make a slow 90 degree turn off the runway like the only plane in the world. I guess you can't have both.

TK was always cool pilot wise, their station ops were by far the most entitled airline of the close to 50 carriers we had, didn't take much for IST to get involved in trivial day to day airport stuff you'd think they could care less about. But as much of a headache as they may have given us on the terminal ops side, they also actually were some of the most compeititent managers and would often spot problems with other carriers and give us a heads up. So it was a weird relationship. One time they brought up a bunch of treats for everyone then went, "Why do you discriminate?" and complained that they never get the 2 gates they prefer...which happen to be the only gates we can use for an A380 and 748 on that terminal lol. That conversation lasted way too long, I think I told the full story here before once.

I'll never forget when the military coup occurred in Turkey and they had to cancel their flights for a few days for security. They came in way off schedule and I had to put them on the other international concourse (a big deal for connecting pax/bags...then again the flight was like 11 hours late or something anyway). I get a call and without any identification I hear, "Brother, are you serious, brother? We just have a major problem in our country, Brother, they killed people at our airport, brother". Right away I knew exactly who it was and what they wanted and just picked up conversation as if they had started the call inquiring about the terminal change.

Like I said, it was a weird relationship. But I respect Turkish Airlines, they know what they're doing.
 
Covid aside I’ve been flying on Turkish twice a year for the past several years. Best damn food you’ll get on an airplane. Their customer service is godawful though. First time I flew to Istanbul, there was a blizzard so after holding for 2 hours we diverted to the other side of the country. Meanwhile my wife at IST was staring at the board that still said “on time” and had no idea we diverted until I was able to find WiFi to text her 4 hours after we were supposed to have landed in IST.
 
TUCKnTRUCK said:
RAAS , yes… so f’ing annoying. You can’t adjust the volume and it always yells “entering runway xxx” right when the controller gives your take off clearance. Can’t hear the controller because of it.
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I especially love when I can't hear anything the tower controller just said in ORD or OGG because the RAAS was screaming ONE...THOUSAND...FEET...REAMAINING at somewhere around 3,000 dB. Or the countless times I've gotten a false notification about a runway or taxiway. It is truly the most worthless safety system ever created. I would argue it is instead directly a threat to safety. Clearly dreamed up/designed by some moron who only ever flies a desk who needs to be drug out in the street, stabbed multiple times with a rusty screwdriver, and left to die.

Feels so good to get that out of the system. Noodle I hate RAAS.
 
Rocketman99 said:
I especially love when I can't hear anything the tower controller just said in ORD or OGG because the RAAS was screaming ONE...THOUSAND...FEET...REAMAINING at somewhere around 3,000 dB. Or the countless times I've gotten a false notification about a runway or taxiway. It is truly the most worthless safety system ever created. I would argue it is instead directly a threat to safety. Clearly dreamed up/designed by some moron who only ever flies a desk who needs to be drug out in the street, stabbed multiple times with a rusty screwdriver, and left to die.

Feels so good to get that out of the system. Noodle I hate RAAS.
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Dafuq are you doing with 1000ft remaining in a 737 in ORD. Do the brakes in that thing suck as bad as the rest of the plane?
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Dafuq are you doing with 1000ft remaining in a 737 in ORD. Do the brakes in that thing suck as bad as the rest of the plane?
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Been a while since you landed on the north runway? The high speed and/or the end of the runway are where you turn off, and both are within the last 1000'.
 
Rocketman99 said:
I especially love when I can't hear anything the tower controller just said in ORD or OGG because the RAAS was screaming ONE...THOUSAND...FEET...REAMAINING at somewhere around 3,000 dB. Or the countless times I've gotten a false notification about a runway or taxiway. It is truly the most worthless safety system ever created. I would argue it is instead directly a threat to safety. Clearly dreamed up/designed by some moron who only ever flies a desk who needs to be drug out in the street, stabbed multiple times with a rusty screwdriver, and left to die.

Feels so good to get that out of the system. Noodle I hate RAAS.
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The new whip has it and in JNU it calls “APPROACHING RUNWAY 26” when you’re lined up for takeoff and “ON RUNWAY 26” between the time you’re done setting takeoff power and the “airspeed alive” call
 
Roger Roger said:
The new whip has it and in JNU it calls “APPROACHING RUNWAY 26” when you’re lined up for takeoff and “ON RUNWAY 26” between the time you’re done setting takeoff power and the “airspeed alive” call
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I also love the "approaching runway XX" when flying an approach, which is only ever over the cockpit speakers never loud enough to actually hear over your headset. You know, compared to the other times it goes off.

Edit to add: *with volume could have actually been useful when we had the crew land on 16T in SEA a few years back. The one time it could have ever been useful.
 
Roger Roger said:
The new whip has it and in JNU it calls “APPROACHING RUNWAY 26” when you’re lined up for takeoff and “ON RUNWAY 26” between the time you’re done setting takeoff power and the “airspeed alive” call
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Actually, while typing that, I had an epiphany…they moved the runway east a few years back, I bet the RAAS database still has the old location for the 26 threshold
 
Rocketman99 said:
I especially love when I can't hear anything the tower controller just said in ORD or OGG because the RAAS was screaming ONE...THOUSAND...FEET...REAMAINING at somewhere around 3,000 dB. Or the countless times I've gotten a false notification about a runway or taxiway. It is truly the most worthless safety system ever created. I would argue it is instead directly a threat to safety. Clearly dreamed up/designed by some moron who only ever flies a desk who needs to be drug out in the street, stabbed multiple times with a rusty screwdriver, and left to die.

Feels so good to get that out of the system. Noodle I hate RAAS.
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I like it. Would have saved Comair 5191.

Haven’t found it to be a distraction yet in regards to ATC with RAAS going off. I like RAAS and would keep it.


Now what IS annoying is not having the “50, 40, 30, 20, 10…….”

Silence to landing on the runway took getting used to.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I like it. Would have saved Comair 5191.

Haven’t found it to be a distraction yet in regards to ATC with RAAS going off. I like RAAS and would keep it.


Now what IS annoying is not having the “50, 40, 30, 20, 10…….”

Silence to landing on the runway took getting used to.
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Give it time, you'll grow to hate it like everyone else.

Hmm, well, you can always have your FO make the calls? :D
 
Rocketman99 said:
I also love the "approaching runway XX" when flying an approach, which is only ever over the cockpit speakers never loud enough to actually hear over your headset. You know, compared to the other times it goes off.

Edit to add: *with volume could have actually been useful when we had the crew land on 16T in SEA a few years back. The one time it could have ever been useful.
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Ahh. Gotcha. I wondered about that. Ever so faintly I hear “approaching runway 16R” and wondered what’s up with that? Normally it’s loud and clear on the ground in my headset. But in approach (and not all time) I hear approaching runway but it is faint. So it seems I have to have the cockpit speaker up in order to hear that on approach? Learned something new if true!
 
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