A note to the new folks. This is a workplace.

Wardogg said:
You people act like political discourse IN THE WORKPLACE up to now has always been civil and polite.
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FIFY. And you’re right, it hasn’t always. But as it has escalated in society, so too has it escalated in the workplace. There’s a whole lot more of people saying the quiet part out loud with no consideration to how it may be received by those within earshot. We need customers of all races, religions, and political persuasions. We need flight attendants to feel comfortable in the workplace without fear that they have to hide who they are because the big mouth pilot might find out. We need pilots to be considerate of the person sitting to their right (or left) and not just assume that that person thinks the way you do or believes what you believe. When you’re at home or off duty, do and say whatever you want of course. It’s a free country. All I’m asking is to be respectful of your intended and unintended audience. That’s not too much to ask.
 
ZapBrannigan said:
FIFY. And you’re right, it hasn’t always. But as it has escalated in society, so too has it escalated in the workplace. There’s a whole lot more of people saying the quiet part out loud with no consideration to how it may be received by those within earshot. We need customers of all races, religions, and political persuasions. We need flight attendants to feel comfortable in the workplace without fear that they have to hide who they are because the big mouth pilot might find out. We need pilots to be considerate of the person sitting to their right (or left) and not just assume that that person thinks the way you do or believes what you believe. When you’re at home or off duty, do and say whatever you want of course. It’s a free country. All I’m asking is to be respectful of your intended and unintended audience. That’s not too much to ask.
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What is the old adage? Never discuss religion or politics in public or at the dinner table.

Thats an old adage for a reason.
 
SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
Great, so sit there in silence for hours upon hours staring out the window. :rolleyes:

This idea that you shouldn’t talk about politics or religion is exactly how we ended up with so many people who are incapable of intelligent discourse.
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I'm still in the business and pretty darned fulfilled after nearly three decades.

Gather 'round folks, lets talk about what works and what doesn't as I'm not sure if I should be on the receiving end of advice on the topic.

Me and the guys who can't run a checklist without running off at the mouth about politics are probably having very different careers in aviation thus far. :)
 
Wardogg said:
Thats an old adage for a reason.
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See, I think old wives get short shrift here.

It starts with a hypothesis and gets tested. If the hypothesis has a positive result it gets stripped of attribution and becomes "common knowledge," but if the hypothesis is not or cannot be conclusively tested, it is relegated as an "old wives' tale." They get credit for only the down-side.

Makes u think.
 
derg said:
Me and the guys who can't run a checklist without running off at the mouth about politics are probably having very different careers in aviation thus far. :)
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Yeah, but probably for reasons different than what you think.

derg said:
Hilariously, I took my super conservative first officer to "Drag Queen Trivia Night" without telling him what it actually was in ABQ.
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Awkward.
 
BobDDuck said:
Or you know.... they're renting real estate.

:bounce:
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Seriously though, I've had a good ride, even when it was bad.

I don't know where talking politics to the other pilot makes for a better work environment. I literally don't know where some of my best friends stand on religion or politics because it's just not my thing at work. Office politics, absolutely, it can be an episode of "Billions" with amount of office political swordsmanship on campus, but national? Nah.
Wardogg said:
Yeah, but probably for reasons different than what you think.


Awkward.
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It's not awkward at all! Why would you think so? I was already going, he wanted to come and didn't ask enough details. Good for him as he had a great time.
 
I've never understood how (a) people can be so sensitive about this stuff. Just ignore it and say "uhuh" every little bit. (b) how people's lives can be so boring that when in a conversation topic they don't care about - they have nothing else interesting to change the subject to.
 
Wardogg said:
You people act like political discourse up to now has always been civil and polite.

That's not true.
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Of course it hasn't always been civil. The rise of sportcenter-like political opinion shows and certain figures sure do not help though. Especially as they become more focused on political spin and sensationalism rather than actual argument backed with evidence.

SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
I agree with this part. If you’re only talking about prejudices, cool, we’re on the same page. But if you’re talking all politics in general, definitely disagree.
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My first CA after OE at my current shop kept asking why we can't say certain racist words and phrases anymore. "When I grew up no one cared." I didn't say anything to bring it up nor did I respond. Still kept getting random comments all the time unsolicited. Happens many many more times after that with many other CAs.

I will say most CAs have been good. Only one so far has been good with political discourse and didn't go on political diatribes filled with conspiracies. The guys that absolutely want to talk politics 95% of the time are an issue.

Adler said:
I've never understood how (a) people can be so sensitive about this stuff. Just ignore it and say "uhuh" every little bit. (b) how people's lives can be so boring that when in a conversation topic they don't care about - they have nothing else interesting to change the subject to.
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I'm not sensitive toward it. I deal with it to maintain CRM. Sadly my hobbies don't tend to line up with the hobbies of a guy about to retire. Talking computers/tech with a guy that can barely run his iPad is a bit rough.
 
Maurus said:
Of course it hasn't always been civil. The rise of sportcenter-like political opinion shows and certain figures sure do not help though. Especially as they become more focused on political spin and sensationalism rather than actual argument backed with evidence.
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You are blaming something like the internet for the things the humans do on it.

The political discourse of today is no different than the 1900s 1800s 1700s. Well....maybe it is a bit different.

www.pbs.org

The History of Dueling in America | American Experience | PBS

The fatal duel between Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr shocked the nation. But it was the identity of the man killed that produced such dismay.
www.pbs.org
 
ZapBrannigan said:
FIFY. And you’re right, it hasn’t always. But as it has escalated in society, so too has it escalated in the workplace. There’s a whole lot more of people saying the quiet part out loud with no consideration to how it may be received by those within earshot. We need customers of all races, religions, and political persuasions. We need flight attendants to feel comfortable in the workplace without fear that they have to hide who they are because the big mouth pilot might find out. We need pilots to be considerate of the person sitting to their right (or left) and not just assume that that person thinks the way you do or believes what you believe. When you’re at home or off duty, do and say whatever you want of course. It’s a free country. All I’m asking is to be respectful of your intended and unintended audience. That’s not too much to ask.
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Just wait until we get closer to election season, especially if we have some scorched earth candidates still out there. This is like pre-season training camp. Some idiot here wore it on their sleeve so much, they had a FJB bag tag that a passenger complained about. It also lead to a company wide change of no pieces of “flair” on bags.
 
Wardogg said:
You are blaming something like the internet for the things the humans do on it.
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No, I am definitely blaming the mainstream humans on those mediums that try to tell you what to believe and kills the critical thinking skills of the electorate.

Wardogg said:
The political discourse of today is no different than the 1900s 1800s 1700s. Well....maybe it is a bit different.

www.pbs.org

The History of Dueling in America | American Experience | PBS

The fatal duel between Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr shocked the nation. But it was the identity of the man killed that produced such dismay.
www.pbs.org
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Funny story, you could opt out of a duel. Having a CA yammer on about why X is bad for 5+hours while trapped in an aluminum tube at 35,000Ft sucks. Especially when they can hold the conversation by themselves after you indicate you want no part of it.

BTW, I highly doubt people got Fox News alerts about how liberals were going to take away their wood burning stoves back in the 1800s. Technology certainly changes the political landscape.
 
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