9L, 9E, XJ JCBA Actual Language

3enginejock said:
Which is actually less that what we get now...

I fail to see how min day helps reserve pilots, getting min day in the contract is great but without atleast ensuring reserve pilots still get the 2 hours the company was giving us is a big foul up IMO. Sure if you get called in you will get atleast 4 hours, except now if you do not get called in you get nothing... And not getting called is a common thing for me, I have been on stand up reserve for 2 months in IAD, and I was awarded another one in February. I flew 7 hours in December and I am currently at 10 hours for January, with nothing on my schedule yet for these last 5 days of reserve. Not flying might be a more common problem than some think.

Just because I am on home reserve does not mean I am at home on a day off. I cant drink a beer, I cant go far from home due to the 1:30 min callout, and I cant commit to anything on those days. I consider being on home reserve being at work and should be atleast compensated a little bit for it, even if it is just 2 hours of credit.

Don't get me wrong, I have read the whole TA at this point and I am voting yes because the pro's outweigh the con's by far but that does not mean it does not have issues.
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I guess I don't understand how this 2 hour credit works for you guys..

If you sit reserve for a month and fly 0 hours what are you credited with at the end of the month?

Do you get guarantee + 2 hours of credit/reserve day? I.E. If you do 20 reserve days is that worth 40 hours credit? Where does that 40 hours then go? On top of guarantee? So you credit out at 115 hours credit for a month of reserve???

Where does the 2 hour reserve credit go?
 
Stryder said:
what will be really fun is if the bonus goes to an arbitrator and he says its a signing bonus and everyone gets an equal share. that would make me chuckle.
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Won't go to an aribitrator. The method has already been decided. If someone files a dispute, they aren't disputing the METHOD, they are disputing if the method was reached via corruption at the MEC level. It would likely trigger an investigation, they would find no corruption (it did pass unanimously after all), then things would go as they would have before, just everyone gets their bonus later.
 
Each day of reserve is credited at 2 hrs, if you fly you get what you fly, if it is less than 2 hours they will "pay protect" you and bring your credit for the day up to 2 hours. A normal reserve line will start the month with 42/40 hrs credit depending on the total days, you only get 10 days off as reserve.

If you were asigned flying and flew 75 hours during the first 3 weeks, you could I suppose have 5 days of reserve left, which would bring you up to 85 hours for the month. Thing is, that never really happens. Either you fly all the time, or you hardly fly at all it seems.

I think these guys are upset that they may end up with a mixed month with a credit of 85-90 hours. Under then new contract, they would lose 2 hours of credit for each day of reserve that was left in their schedual, for which they were not activated. Most colgan pilots assume we have a 2hr min day pay, which we do not... you are just paid 2 hours for a reserve period, but there is no 2 hour min day pay. The pilots here treat it like a min. day pay... and for conversation assume, because you are talking to reserve pilots, just assume that they are given a 2hr/day min. pay. Under the new "rules" that 2 hr pay goes away unless they fly, in which case, it is bumped to 4 hours.

Honestly, It will even out at the end of the month. How many times are you activated for a 1 leg, or 2 leg day? If you get called in to cover a sick call on the 2nd half of a 4 day pairing, odds are you will get min day pay credit for 1 or both days. If you do one leg out, spend the night, and one leg back you will get 8 hours pay... or the same as 4 days of reserve. Of course these guys are outstation based, so they don't get the 4 hr min day pay, and for that they hate the contract.

Honestly, with the rest of the scheduling rules in place, I would assume that as a rsv pilot, you will either be riding well below 75 hours, or flying and getting paid over it all the time, so I doubt that you will see a change in your monthly credit hours. Even if it does change by 2 hours, thats only like $43 bucks right :)

Tram said:
I guess I don't understand how this 2 hour credit works for you guys..

If you sit reserve for a month and fly 0 hours what are you credited with at the end of the month?

Do you get guarantee + 2 hours of credit/reserve day? I.E. If you do 20 reserve days is that worth 40 hours credit? Where does that 40 hours then go? On top of guarantee? So you credit out at 115 hours credit for a month of reserve???

Where does the 2 hour reserve credit go?
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3enginejock said:
Which is actually less that what we get now...

I fail to see how min day helps reserve pilots, getting min day in the contract is great but without atleast ensuring reserve pilots still get the 2 hours the company was giving us is a big foul up IMO. Sure if you get called in you will get atleast 4 hours, except now if you do not get called in you get nothing... And not getting called is a common thing for me, I have been on stand up reserve for 2 months in IAD, and I was awarded another one in February. I flew 7 hours in December and I am currently at 10 hours for January, with nothing on my schedule yet for these last 5 days of reserve. Not flying might be a more common problem than some think.
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So.....you're probably not going to break 75 hours anyway. So, what's the problem? Even if you did all 7 hours of flying in December on one day, you wouldn't go over 50 hours of credit with the 2 hour reserve credit. Unless you do a lot of flying then sit around, I don't see how the 2 hour thing affects anything at the end of the month. The trip I'm on right now would have sent me over guarantee thanks to the 4 hour min day. In fact, I probably would have been over it a lot earlier this month. Last month, I credited 73.5 hours. Right up to guarantee but not over. With the 4 hour min day alone (no nixing the 15 minute rule, no 75% DH pay), I would have credited 93 hours. I haven't done the math, but I"d bet tomorrow's lunch money this month would have worked out to something similar.

You can also think of it this way: for every day you get used under the new TA, it credits two reserve days under your old....uh not-contract. And you ARE being paid for being on home reserve. That's what the 75 hour guarantee is for.
 
Rocketman99 said:
75 hours, min guarantee. You get it if you fly 0 hours or 75 hours. If you fly more than 75 hours you get whatever that is.
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Sounds like just like every other airline - 3.75 per day of reserve (if you have min 10 days off).

So how does a 2 hour credit for a day of reserve work? Guess I'm just not seeing where or when the "2 hour" rule it kicks in..

I don't see how, if a line starts at 40/42 hours credit, and you sit 20 days of reserve at 2 hours a day, you'd only get 75 hours pay..

You should automatically get 80/82 if you really had a 2 hour min day..
 
We don't have a min day per se, it's jut that a day of reserve is worth 2 hrs at Colgan. Obviously that wil never get you over guarante if you never get called. You sit 20 days of reserve you netted 40 hrs credit, but min monthly guarantee is 75 hrs so you get paid 75 hrs.

The only time it makes a difference is say you get activated for 15 of those 20 days and end up flying enough to get 70 hours credit. Well, those 5 days you didn't get called are actually credited at 2 hrs/day bringing you up to 80 hours for the month. How often does that matter? Very rarely, and I sat reserve for over a year on the Q. Either I was (ab)used pretty much every day or I didn't come close to breaking guarantee.
 
Tram said:
Sounds like just like every other airline - 3.75 per day of reserve (if you have min 10 days off).

So how does a 2 hour credit for a day of reserve work? Guess I'm just not seeing where or when the "2 hour" rule it kicks in..

I don't see how, if a line starts at 40/42 hours credit, and you sit 20 days of reserve at 2 hours a day, you'd only get 75 hours pay..

You should automatically get 80/82 if you really had a 2 hour min day..
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Im not really sure you get this min day stuff. It seems like you think the min day goes on top of everything. Even with the new contract if you were scheduled to work 18 days(12-13 off) on an actual line and, for arguments sake, you only flew(credited) 3 hours every day for a total of 54 hours you would only have your credit bumped up to 72 hours via min day(4 x 18) and would end up with just the 75 hour min guarentee. The only time the 4 hour min would be on top of guarentee seems to be if you were junior manned on an off day. Then even if you had 0 hours of credit accumulated to for every other day that month you would get at least 4 hours for that new day added above guarentee.
 
Also, for the 2 hr reserve deal... The way our lines come out now on the first few days of each month when you are due to have a nice chuck of days off to start a month the company throws some on some reserve days. So if your month was already above guarentee then those reserve days would toss an extra 2 hours a day on top. The TA has language that says there will be no mixing of lines though. So a line holder should have no reserve days scheduled and a reserve guy should have no work scheduled.
 
JrsyGuy said:
Also, for the 2 hr reserve deal... The way our lines come out now on the first few days of each month when you are due to have a nice chuck of days off to start a month the company throws some on some reserve days. So if your month was already above guarentee then those reserve days would toss an extra 2 hours a day on top. The TA has language that says there will be no mixing of lines though. So a line holder should have no reserve days scheduled and a reserve guy should have no work scheduled.
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Seriously man, come to a roadshow and talk to me. What you are latching on to is the ONLY thing at Colgan that is better than the TA, and is the exception in the industry. It's always easy to focus on one thing you might be losing, but you need to FULLY understand the things you are gaining. Believe me, I wouldn't sign up for ANY contract that made reserve at Colgan worse.

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I think I understand min day, I may very well not.. None of the airlines I've worked at have had it..

I think, It will go on top of 75 if it helps you break 75..

Let's say I have a line with 15 days of flying and each day is 1 leg at 1 hour a piece.. These days are now worth 4 hours a piece.. So would we theoretically credit 75 + 60 for the month? May not be how it works at all, it's a new concept for me too..

I'm trying to understand how you guys apply 2 hours per day of reserve sat..
 
Tram said:
I think I understand min day, I may very well not.. None of the airlines I've worked at have had it..

I think, It will go on top of 75 if it helps you break 75..

Let's say I have a line with 15 days of flying and each day is 1 leg at 1 hour a piece.. These days are now worth 4 hours a piece.. So would we theoretically credit 75 + 60 for the month? May not be how it works at all, it's a new concept for me too..
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You would credit 60 hours that month and block 15. Since your credit is lower than your monthly guarantee of 75 hours, you would be paid guarantee for the month.

Let's say you have a line with 20 days of flying and each day is 1 leg and 1 hour each. You would credit 80 hours that month and block 20. Since your credit is above your monthly guarantee of 75 hours, you would be paid 80 hours that month.

Tram said:
I'm trying to understand how you guys apply 2 hours per day of reserve sat..
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The two hours of credit for reserve is unique to Colgan. I don't know of any other airline that has this rule. If you had a reserve line with 20 days of reserve, and you spent all 20 days at home without any flying, you would credit 40 hours. Since your credit is below your monthly guarantee of 75 hours, you would be paid guarantee for the month.
 
Tram said:
Does the 2 hour credit routinely bump your credit over 75 hours?
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Of the four months I have spent on reserve, I exceeded guarantee twice with the help of the 2 hour credit. I'm close for January; it will depend on what I fly (or sit hot reserve) next week.
 
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