800/25. Now what?

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ppragman said:
That's be a pretty cool gig, the 207 is cool. I don't know if I'd want to fly it in the desert, they don't call it the "lead sled" for nothing. A chance to get into the Twotters would be cool too.
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And looks like you are from Alaska... A bunch of gigs up there as well!
 
E_Dawg said:
Aloft if I were you I don't know if I'd jump into professional flying just yet. Especially if you don't want to instruct. Given the current situation you may be better off keeping your day job while pleasure flying on the side. I have no idea how much you currently make but I can guess it's probably a LOT more than you'll make in flying with 800hrs.
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Eduardo! I made the jump into professional flying last fall, man! I'm currently chief pilot for an aerial mapping outfit. Decent pay, but it's seasonal work and the season is over! And I'm ready to move onto something more challenging than a 172, maybe something with a couple motors, or maybe even burns Jet A! I'd LOVE a 135 SIC gig in a King Air or something along those lines.
 
aloft said:
Because I said in the very first post I'm not going that route. That some people need to defend to the death THEIR choice as the only possible correct choice is simply asinine.

That said, my thanks to those of you who've made constructive suggestions while honoring my request to not simply clamor "get your CFI!!!!" ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
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We defend the choice because we unlike you have the experience in aviation to see how important becoming a CFI is to one's career.

What really scares me is how you don't listen to the advise of others. I hope this does not correlate to when you are in a crew environment.

meyers9163 said:
During a trip I recently had although not at a critical phase of flight I ultimately became PIC due to a situation.
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You were never PIC. You did not sign for the aircraft or have a PIC type in the CRJ.
 
You guys may feel I'm a crazy old man, but this is your peer group.

Like E_Dawg said, every step of the way I found people that were positive, helpful and that were able to help me out along the way. I heard A LOT of answers I didn't want to hear along the way.

It's true.

But I could either say, "No, you're wrong, I'm leaving Skyway for WestAir because I can live in California get hired at United" or consider that some people, even though they possess dissenting opinion, might have your best interests in mind.

Gotta open your mind to figure that one out.

Seriously bro, I wish you success and I hope all of this ill will towards those that don't hold your opinion doesn't carry over into the cockpit because that'd make for a pretty short career.

I just wish you'd learn to turn the cheek on occasion, because I absolutely know that there are people that are reading this thread, who may be in a position to help you now that are turned off by the tone of the thread. I'd be willing to bet cash even.

Just my humble opinion, and I may be wrong.
 
Isn't Great Lakes and Lynx Aviation in Denver still hiring? Although I think you definately would make more money as a CFI.

The CFI's at my flight school make the following:

CFI: $35 per hour
CFII $40 per hour
MEI $45 per hour

The guys that work really hard to get students can get up to 100hours a month.

So......

CFI: $35x100 hours per month x 12months a year= $42,000 per year (before tax)
CFII: $40x100 hours per month x 12months a year=$48,000 per year (before tax)
MEI: probably won't get 100 hours per month on Multi students. But a combination of these ratings could mean over 50k per year.

Also the flight school does not take ANY of the money paid to the instructors. The students pay the instructors direct.
 
ppragman said:
Wow, is that really necessary? How do you know what his attitude is? You don't even know the guy outside of an internet forum. Maybe the guy just doesn't want to CFI. Is that so much of a crime? There are many many ways to skin a cat, a hell of a lot more than one, and anyone who claims to have the "one" solution in any aviation problem is a fool. Period. Aviation is fluid, and where there's a will there's a way.

This whole thread, and indeed a lot of threads lately have smelled of horrible arrogance and flame. Very little discussion is taking place, and peoples egos are getting in the way of rational discussion and networking. People who may or may not know their ass from a hole the ground are saying that something in aviation is "THIS WAY NO MATTER WHAT."
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I couldn't agree more ppragman!!

May I point out that over the last week, Aloft actually contributed to the spirit of this site with his information and experience with his Aerial Mapping job? That's a heck of a lot more than I've seen from many of the folks on here who chronically insert negativity into thread after thread.

I'm still starting out, and therefor don't have a dog in this particular hunt, but I can certainly appreciate Aloft's contributions here. While I would tend to agree that getting a CFI ticket would be advantageous to widening his scope of opportunities, I can respect his thought process for wishing to avoid teaching.

It would sure be cool to see some more people take an active interest in the spirit of this site rather than sitting on here looking to kick a brother and his aspirations down at each opportunity. Think about it!
 
Seggy said:
We defend the choice because we unlike you have the experience in aviation to see how important becoming a CFI is to one's career.

What really scares me is how you don't listen to the advise of others. I hope this does not correlate to when you are in a crew environment.



You were never PIC. You did not sign for the aircraft or have a PIC type in the CRJ.
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PIC Authority... does that please you... you dont know the situation either I would just say... FYI

Poor dude is asking about jobs and it appears many did not get enough sleep last night. Guess a casuality of the job I suppose!
 
meyers9163 said:
PIC Authority... does that please you... you dont know the situation either I would just say... FYI
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I don't need to know the situation, what I do know is you were not PIC because you did not sign for the airplane OR have the approriate type rating for the plane as well.

I doubt you logged it as PIC time or did you?
 
Seggy said:
I don't need to know the situation, what I do know is you were not PIC because you did not sign for the airplane OR have the approriate type rating for the plane as well.

I doubt you logged it as PIC time or did you?
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Oh lordy... mark go get some sleep... you and others are way too b*tchy tonight.... Seriously. This isnt about this thread. Just goes to show what someone above posted with the negative nature of some responses lately. However again go get some sleep and step away and come back to the computer bro. Seriously!

No need to respond even. Send me a PM. Enough hijacking this thread.
 
You have a few options with 800/25:

Traffic Watch
Aerial Mapping
Pipeline Patrol
CFI/CFII/MEI
Jumpzones/Skydiving outfits
Canyon/Ditch flying (Scenic, GCA, King Airelines, and other smaller outfits)
AirNet (SIC program)
Great Lakes, Piedmont, Mesa and some low end (turboprop) regionals "might" look at you
 
meyers9163 said:
Oh lordy... mark go get some sleep... you and others are way too b*tchy tonight.... Seriously. This isnt about this thread. Just goes to show what someone above posted with the negative nature of some responses lately. However again go get some sleep and step away and come back to the computer bro. Seriously!

No need to respond even. Send me a PM. Enough hijacking this thread.
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You are right Paul I am sorry for hijacking this thread. I started up a new one about this issue. I am not going to step away because I might be wrong here (I REALLY doubt I am though) and want to get corrected and not put out false information.

http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/67305-you-are-a-first-officer.html#post887006
 
Seggy, he never said he was PIC, he just said he had to act as PIC.

When he can talk about it (if ever) it will make for a good story. For what it's worth, he's gotten kudos for doing the right thing and handling it well from pretty much everybody who knows what happened.

Sorry if it's all sort of vague, but that's the way it's got to be now.
 
Seggy said:
You are right Paul I am sorry for hijacking this thread. I started up a new one about this issue. I am not going to step away because I might be wrong here (I REALLY doubt I am though) and want to get corrected and not put out false information.

http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/67305-you-are-a-first-officer.html#post887006
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You are right... I didnt mean PIC, acting with PIC authority... I was incorrect in my typing. Back on topic, I meant nothing with the hijacking of thread... But its good for another topic(thus you already started it).

Just thought for the purpose of this thread it spoke about acting as PIC. I thought it would be appropriate to add in there if you are not ready to step up in a "critical" situation and thus have to become the one to make the ultimate decisions perhaps other options are better for him as of right now... Its all.

However if it were 6 months ago I'd tell him to apply. He currently has more hours then a lot of the guys I know flying 121 right now.
 
its funny how some of the ppl laying the smackdown here on aloft didn't have much more xp than he did they they started... I guess they get the right to talk since they are 'big boys' in the airlines now lol.

aloft, there are at least 5 replies (which 2 of them is mine) that gives u other alternative choices as to what to do..... I think ur question has been answered

I think this thread needs to be locked up and put away. answers are in here.
 
Seriously....even though instructing sucks for some people, you can easily make $40,000 to $50,000 a year doing it.
 
I just posted how you can make 40k-50k. No response. Of course it was right before 3-4 responses that had nothing to do with the thread.
 
"Not in Utah" (forgive me my quoting function isn't working...)

But didn't you say you're willing to move out of UT for a job? If so, this comment was pointless wasn't it?

I know there are several states where you can't make 50K as an instructor, but the members are showing you in their states that you can. I'm not telling you to be an instructor. You will do what you want to do, but finding a job you're willing to do with YOUR time are few and far between. It stinks, but the current industry conditions are preventing that.

My advice, get the multi time up to 100, then revaluate your what you want to do.

Good luck
 
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