800/25. Now what?

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Doug Taylor said:
Wasn't one of us. Did you hit 'send'?
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Oh.... heh.... I think I need to get off the computer for a bit. :D Sorry to have assumed! Keep up the good work. :)

And to get back on topic.... not that I did this myself, but to really go anywhere you need the multi time (unless you go to Pinnacle.... then you could probably show up safe with 25 hours... after all they've taken much much less in the TT column) and to get the multi-time well.... either pay for a bunch of hours or get them while getting paid....

Or you could go to Pacific Wings (Hawaii) or their sister company stuck on the lower 48, New Mexico Air. They'll put you in a Caravan as an SIC for 16 big ones. I have a friend doing that right now.
 
From a time building perspective that is all an instructor wants to do. Have you pass the checkride. If you have a good instructor they will want you to be able to not only pass the checkride but also be a safe pilot going into the checkride. Sure you can teach to PTS minimums, but what does that do other than put your student in danger?

Note: Not all time building CFI's are bad CFI's, it is just what happens when someone is kinda forced into becoming a CFI.


Tram said:
If you don't feel you have enough experience base to teach what you know, what makes you feel confident enough to load other peoples families into the back of your aircraft and go from point A to point B with them?
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I would have to say that you will not have the experience to teach someone how to fly unless you become a CFI and start teaching. You can tell a new CFI doesn't know everything and isn't the best teacher to start, but the skill and knowledge gained form the teaching will get the new CFI comfortable.

Till you start to teach you will never be comfortable teaching others how to fly.
 
So at 800 hours you have no business teaching people how to fly...but you do have enough to fly 70 people around?
 
Chris, Aloft, keep it professional.

I'm under the weather today and if I have to lay some smackdown, ya'll aren't going to like the results.
 
aloft said:
Just broke 800 TT today, so my times are now 800/25, and my current gig is ending in a few weeks. So now what? Suggestions? Advice? Job leads?
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Leave the industry now for a higher paying job before it really gets ugly.

mikecweb said:
So at 800 hours you have no business teaching people how to fly...but you do have enough to fly 70 people around?
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Excellent point. But cap'n will (almost) always be there to save you in a 70 seater! :sarcasm:
 
I'm going to go the other way here. Please don't get your CFI Certificates.

You obviously have no desire to teach and the industry does not need more seat warmers teaching people how to fly.

Do something else.

-mini
 
minitour said:
I'm going to go the other way here. Please don't get your CFI Certificates.

You obviously have no desire to teach and the industry does not need more seat warmers teaching people how to fly.

Do something else.

-mini
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You haven't a clue as to what my desires are, so stick to what you know.

Never said I have no desire to teach, I just don't think inexperienced pilots have any business teaching stuff that can get students killed. ATP's "no short-field takeoffs with flaps" rule is a perfect example of why.
 
aloft said:
I just don't think inexperienced pilots have any business teaching stuff that can get students killed.
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It's a good thing that other professions, like the medical field, do things better. Can you imagine how many people could get killed if teaching hospitals used second/third year residents to teach the first year interns.:rolleyes:
 
Alright, I think you've received your answer about fifteen times.
 
Cptnchia said:
My first instuctor told be back in the day, "I'll teach you everything you need to know to pass the checkride, then I'll teach you what you need to know to be a pilot."
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There's the rub: inexperienced instructors are only capable of teaching the former. Most haven't been taught the latter themselves. Certainly not the ones coming out of the pilot mills.
 
Geez man, you do love to join in on dogpiles. It's all I see you do on here.

Concern over liability doesn't mean I have no desire to teach.
 
Aloft, you don't have to instruct to get the hours. There are always flying skydiver, pipeline patrol...etc. The key part of find those kind of job - get to know people or networking.

I look at flight instructor from different perspective. I was not only teach my students, but also making friends with them. :) Well, because of my students, I have flown few trips as safety pilots(also teaching basic instrument flying along the way). :p Yes, I would admited I was an inexperience instructor with 300 hours. But in comparsion to my students, I had few things to offer or teach.

One more thing, I was a high school teacher for 5 years. :banghead:
 
Sooo, exactly what's wrong with Aloft's position? In other professional industries, you go through far more on the job training.

1) Doctors are required to have a four year degree, med school and internships. Pilots can get PPL to MEI in less than a year and less than 300 hours.
2) Engineers must have a 4 year degree or the equivalent in field experience and even then they are not fully certified (read SIC). To become fully certified as a PE, they have to have 4 years minimum of focused experience. With less than a year to get ratings and less than 300 hours, you can be PIC in any jet if you pass a 3-6 week class. (yes, getting a job may be problematic, but it is possible).
3) Grade school teachers require a four year degree! Part of that four year degree includes in class observation for 6 months. Professors at universities require a PhD. A CFI requires no degree and can be passed in 4 weeks or less!
4) Even lawyers are required to have a four year degree and then law school for any level of practice. Pilots need a degree to be competitive at the majors but it isn't required.

For everyone bashing Aloft, take a good long look at our 'professional' industry and compare it to others. Can anyone seriously argue that pilots with 1000 hrs or less and/or less than 2-3 years in the industry should be teaching or PIC without a degree? Can you disagree with this without the childish (read unprofessional) name calling?
 
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