800/25. Now what?

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aloft said:
Ford: where were YOU at 800 hrs, smart guy? Your first regional job, IIRC. So you have zero credibility on the subject. As usual.
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Not quite, but thanks for playing.

First off, I was never at 800/25. The 25 is the important part of this equation... I was around 800/300.

Second, I have plenty of credibility, you're just a close minded individual. Your problem, not mine.
 
That 25 ME time is really going to hurt you aloft.

Add another 75 hours of ME time (somehow - get your MEI as your initial?), and then look at 875/100. Go from there.

But yes, unless you wanna fly more single engine time that is essentially going to be worthless except to build your TT you don't have too many options except to get one, two or all three of your instructor certificates.
 
I'd seriously go fly the ditch if they're hiring.

And this is my rationale. If a regional is hiring at 800/25, chances are they've got pretty bad attrition for all the wrong reasons in this market. If they "let out for recess" chances are you may won't be any more competitive.

If it were '06 or '07, it'd be one thing, but the oil bomb hit in '08.
 
Grand canyon (the Ditch) would be interesting.

But if I had a choice... Alaska

It would be some fun/ good experiences. I've always heard that if you can fly in Alaska, you can fly anywhere.

Flying Skydivers is a good option too, especially if you can find a place with a king air or twin otter. They might start you off in the 182 or 206, but after some time, you can probably move up and get that multi turbine time everyone wants for hiring... but be warned... it gets a bit monotonous. They best way to get one of those jobs is to show up and talk to the pilots/owner. Most of them don't look at emails with resumes attached.

Good Luck Bud.

(P.S. get your CFI)
 
Alaska's too far away, the gf will veto that.

And seriously, the way I look at the CFI thing is this: nobody with less than a few thousand hours has any business teaching someone else to fly. All these CFIs with 300 hours out there don't really know anything about flying; they know a lot about passing checkrides, and know enough to get themselves INTO trouble but not enough to get themselves OUT. Not the kind of instructor I'm interested in becoming.

Given that perspective, when I've got a respectable experience base from which to teach, I will.
 
aloft said:
Alaska's too far away, the gf will veto that.

And seriously, the way I look at the CFI thing is this: nobody with less than a few thousand hours has any business teaching someone else to fly. All these CFIs with 300 hours out there don't really know anything about flying; they know a lot about passing checkrides, and know enough to get themselves INTO trouble but not enough to get themselves OUT. Not the kind of instructor I'm interested in becoming.
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I see your point, but that's kinda just "the way its been" for a long time. If you were right there would be planes falling out of the sky on a regular basis...well, more than now anyway.
 
aloft said:
Alaska's too far away, the gf will veto that.

And seriously, the way I look at the CFI thing is this: nobody with less than a few thousand hours has any business teaching someone else to fly. All these CFIs with 300 hours out there don't really know anything about flying; they know a lot about passing checkrides, and know enough to get themselves INTO trouble but not enough to get themselves OUT. Not the kind of instructor I'm interested in becoming.

Given that perspective, when I've got a respectable experience base from which to teach, I will.
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That's a pretty bold cop out...
 
aloft said:
Given that perspective, when I've got a respectable experience base from which to teach, I will.
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If you don't feel you have enough experience base to teach what you know, what makes you feel confident enough to load other peoples families into the back of your aircraft and go from point A to point B with them?
 
Chris_Ford said:
Swing and a miss!!!

I said "make more money" not necessarily "advance your career" or "live the lifestyle you like to live"

And even the make more money is only if you go to a poorly-paying regional. At a better-paying one (note it's still not "good" paying), you may be able to make more as a second year FO.

It's called "looking long term" and it varies from each person.

For someone with 800/25 right now, CFIing is the best long term solution. For someone at a regional right now, it's a foolish move to make with the industry being volatile.

So tell me, what airline do you work for? :rolleyes: I'm sure you don't even understand the points I make (because you see it as simply "complaining"). Come back to me if you ever get a shot at the regional lifestyle.
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i agree fully. my point is that you dont talk like someone who is looking long term. yeah things may be rough at this time, but if you are looking at the big picture you know that pay and qol are going to improve. that would enable you to advance your career, and live the lifestyle that you want (your words) my point is you are always bellyaching about your job, if you were truly looking long term, you would suck it up as a temporary sacrifice.
 
Tram said:
If you don't feel you have enough experience base to teach what you know, what makes you feel confident enough to load other peoples families into the back of your aircraft and go from point A to point B with them?
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Amen to that! Hey aloft you never know if you'll enjoy being a CFI unless you try, your already setting your self up for a negative experience with that mindset.......whether you think you can or can't either way you are right
 
aloft said:
And seriously, the way I look at the CFI thing is this: nobody with less than a few thousand hours has any business teaching someone else to fly. All these CFIs with 300 hours out there don't really know anything about flying; they know a lot about passing checkrides, and know enough to get themselves INTO trouble but not enough to get themselves OUT. Not the kind of instructor I'm interested in becoming.

Given that perspective, when I've got a respectable experience base from which to teach, I will.
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That's REALLY comforting. So basically, you suck too much as a pilot to risk two people's lives in a plane, but you are completly willing to risk 20 people's lives?

I agree with Chris (which is something I HATE to do) and say that's a weak cop out. If you don't want to CFI, fine, nobody is making you, but to try to walk away from it by saying that?

Eh. What do I care. You should do what ever makes you feel good about your self.
 
aloft said:
And seriously, the way I look at the CFI thing is this: nobody with less than a few thousand hours has any business teaching someone else to fly. All these CFIs with 300 hours out there don't really know anything about flying; they know a lot about passing checkrides, and know enough to get themselves INTO trouble but not enough to get themselves OUT. Not the kind of instructor I'm interested in becoming.
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Well, you look at the CFI thing from quite a unique perspective.

While I agree that someone with lots of experience makes a better teacher than someone with 800 hours, I don't think it takes 5000 hours of flying 172s to be able to teach someone how to get their private pilot certificate.
 
aloft said:
Alaska's too far away, the gf will veto that.

And seriously, the way I look at the CFI thing is this: nobody with less than a few thousand hours has any business teaching someone else to fly. All these CFIs with 300 hours out there don't really know anything about flying; they know a lot about passing checkrides, and know enough to get themselves INTO trouble but not enough to get themselves OUT. Not the kind of instructor I'm interested in becoming.

Given that perspective, when I've got a respectable experience base from which to teach, I will.
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dude I'll give u ALL your options right now with your times.


  • get MEI
  • go fly at IBC (S340. you need to but ur type rating urself, but they pay it back eventually, however u sign a 2 year contract)
  • Try Alpha Flying (u'd start off in a pilatus, last time they were hiring, it was 500 min)
  • Try Scenic out of las vegas
  • There are king air jobs here and there you can pick up (I found a place that was doing 'interns' and u log PIC time in their king air, but it doesn't pay for the 1st 3 months, then u get hired with them if u are good.l it was in MN. they just wanted wet CMEL)
  • pipeline patrol, traffic watch or something (don't have much info on this stuff)

those are ALL your options. take your pick....
 
I thought the whole point of instructing was to teach someone to pass the checkride. My first instuctor told be back in the day, "I'll teach you everything you need to know to pass the checkride, then I'll teach you what you need to know to be a pilot."
 
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