777 strikes approach lights on departure 9/15

Screaming_Emu said:
Shouldn't have to if we could be adults. Especially since it's revisiting the same BS from the same people, every damn time.
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Every single night?

On the telephone?

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Autothrust Blue said:
I often wonder what "things" are being said with the mike NOT keyed in the tower.
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Always. Always. Then again I do the same thing when I'm flying so it goes both ways.

"Skywest 123 cross 28L line up and wait 28R traffic is on a 3 mile final no delay"
"Uh...Skywest 123 we only have the numbers for the left"
"The ATIS says to have the numbers for both"
"....Sorry"
"....That's fine just...hold short it'll be a few minutes sir".

But it's not "fine". It's never "fine". And that's the last time he'll refer to you as "sir". Trust me.
 
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ChasenSFO said:
Always. Always. Then again I do the same thing when I'm flying so it goes both ways. "Skywest 123 cross 28L line up and wait 28R traffic is on a 3 mile final no delay" "Uh...Skywest 123 we only have the numbers for the left" "The ATIS says to have the numbers both" "....Sorry" "....That's fine just...hold short it'll be a few minutes sir". But it's not "fine". It's never "fine". Trust me.
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that's why we loaded 22L and 28 at the intersection. It changed twice yesterday.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Always. Always. Then again I do the same thing when I'm flying so it goes both ways.

"Skywest 123 cross 28L line up and wait 28R traffic is on a 3 mile final no delay"
"Uh...Skywest 123 we only have the numbers for the left"
"The ATIS says to have the numbers both"
"....Sorry"
"....That's fine just...hold short it'll be a few minutes sir".

But it's not "fine". It's never "fine". Trust me.
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Never worked a flight out of SFO, but unless it's very obvious that there is only one runway that could possibly be used, I always fill up all three fields with different runway choices. Doesn't cost me but a few more seconds and it keeps the workload down a bit if you get a runway change on taxi out.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Always. Always. Then again I do the same thing when I'm flying so it goes both ways.

"Skywest 123 cross 28L line up and wait 28R traffic is on a 3 mile final no delay"
"Uh...Skywest 123 we only have the numbers for the left"
"The ATIS says to have the numbers both"
"....Sorry"
"....That's fine just...hold short it'll be a few minutes sir".

But it's not "fine". It's never "fine". Trust me.
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Yeah, we'd have to run nine "runway change" items.

Airbii get a little bitchy when it's rushed.
 
Seggy said:
REALLY? You have a checklist for a runway change in the box? REALLY? :aghast:
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Can't tell if you're serious or sarcasm, but yes, we have certain items on the Before Start, and Taxi checklist that need to be re accomplished for a runway change and are marked with a little black box. Same for a landing runway change on the Descent and Approach checklists.
 
Cptnchia said:
Can't tell if you're serious or sarcasm, but yes, we have certain items on the Before Start, and Taxi checklist that need to be re accomplished for a runway change and are marked with a little black box. Same for a landing change.
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I am serious. We have SOPs we have to follow, but not a checklist item. I am sure they are in place for reasons your Flight Ops team has!

@MikeD your thoughts that a checklist is in place to change a runway for take off or landing?
 
Long thread is long.

There's a bunch of things I could hit with the props on both planes I fly and there wouldn't be an indication. Hell, the door could fly off and smack the props in the Metro and there would be no indication, other than the noise. It has happened here and the bent to hell props still made thrust and the engines ran normally. A crew that relies solely on indications and a QRH worries me. As much as of a GOM/SOP thumper that I am, you still have to use your brain to fly these things. Airplanes and their environment are too dynamic to have a policy/procedure for everything.

Maybe it's been mentioned, but did ATC tell them they struck the approach lights? If they did, and they still continued, then the crew was WAY BEYOND stupid (negligent actually) and shouldn't touch an airplane EVER again. If not, then I don't know what else there is to be argued about. Other than maybe relying on suspicion. I don't fly the 777, but a plane that long, I might have suspicions if my sightline was only 50 feet or less off the ground as I went by the threshold. In other words, whatever, we'll wait for the full report I guess. :)
 
@Seggy its midnight here in DTW, so I'm proposing a truce for at least 24hrs, probably longer since I have a late night date tomorrow as well.

Honest question (to @Derg ): if you want me to stop going back and forth with Seggy, I can turn a new leaf. It's fall after all and a real sport is just starting, Canucks drop the puck Sunday.
 
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