777 strikes approach lights on departure 9/15

Alchemy said:
I'm reading they took off from T1 intersection at runway 9 which is only ~8500 feet, vice 13,000 for full length, not much for a fully laden 777-300 destined for Doha. They probably "forgot" to get new performance data for the intersection and used their full length thrust and flap setting.
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Checklist item added?? "Reset numbers if departing from an intersection."
Of course, on the other hand, the two basic tenets of airmanship woulda worked just as well: "Don't do nothin' stoopid." "Don't hit nothin'".
 
fholbert said:
Did find a picture of the damaged Approach Lighting System.

http://www.jacdec.de/2015/09/17/2015-09-15-qatar-airways-boeing-777-300-hit-approach-masts-at-miami/

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This lightpole lost. Most of the liveleak videos I've seen of Qatar usually involve the lightpole winning and the drifting Nissan Maxima and occupants losing badly
 
Just listened to the Live ATC tape.

They were cleared for T1 by the tower and acknowledged it as such.
They sounded perfectly normal and calm when told to contact departure.
ATC did not say a word about hitting antennas.

So we still need to wait for information on when they were informed, if at all, during the flight. Also if anybody in the aircraft felt or heard anything unusual.

I know if I was that low off the departure end of the runway I'd be pretty nervous, but again, barring any information from the EICAS; ATC; or cabin crew what would you have the crew do?






Typhoonpilot
 
@typhoonpilot
You and I are speaking the same language.
Unless these guys willfully lied about knowing they hit something and carried on, there isn't much you can hang them for.

If anything, praise them for doing a post flight walk around.

@Seggy : Ass, license (certificate because I'm in the States), job. In that order every time.

If you don't have the balls to stand up to a Qatari Sheik and say "no, that's not safe", you have no business in a cockpit.
This isn't a union making a Just Satety culture issue.
 
Nark said:
As much as I'd like to, now isn't the time for a smart ass remark.

You and I see safety very differently.
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You are failing to see how the organization and culture can lead to safety problems. I saw it first hand. It goes WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY beyond telling anyone to pound sand.
 
Seggy said:
You are failing to see how the organization and culture can lead to safety problems. I saw it first hand.
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I understand that very well. I too have seen that, al beit not as a q400 operator.
However, you are pushing the responsibility beyond where it needs to stop.
 
Seggy said:
:rolleyes: Why don't you tell me how I am wrong in what I am saying about these carriers.
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You were the one saying the poster was "naive" for thinking pilots should have balls when they go to work and be able to stand by your decisions. I've been there, getting cussed out for saying no to a flight out of Tehran during the ash cloud a few years ago. We ended up going some place else until it was deemed safe to fly where they wanted to go. That company still calls me asking if I have availability.

This was for a Ukrainian company, but same premise.
 
Stone Cold said:
You were the one saying the poster was "naive" for thinking pilots should have balls when they go to work and be able to stand by your decisions. I've been there, getting cussed out for saying no to a flight out of Tehran during the ash cloud a few years ago. We ended up going some place else until it was deemed safe to fly where they wanted to go. That company still calls me asking if I have availability.

This was for a Ukrainian company, but same premise.
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I was calling him naive for him to think that if you do your job and tell someone no/pound sand that it creates a safe place/safe culture to work.
 
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