mtsu_av8er
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It's those dangerous mainline types. This is why I wouldn't put my family on one of those things . . .
767 Lands on Taxiway M at ATL
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wheelsup
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Personal opinion of course but I think they should lose their jobs. They landed a 767 on a taxiway for christs sakes.
A little premature. We don't know all the mitigating circumstances yet.
No problem. I just warn people away from quick off-the-cuff judgements. There are ALWAYS circumstances and events, both contributing as well as mitigating, that MUST be taken into account in order to know the full story. And that's what the investigation is for. People do make mistakes, and by luck and timing, there was no one else on the taxiway. But so far as making quick judgements, I wouldn't want that to happen if it were me in the cockpit on this one, so I give the same professional consideration and benefit of doubt to the crew here that was.
gne in prog
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obviously not the high point in their careers, but they ought not be fired. they'll be the last ones to do that again.
if everyone who made errors whilst flying were to be fired, there wouldn't be many planes flying around.
mtsu_av8er
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Point taken, and I agree. I should have added a sarcasm tag. I was being silly, really . . . we all know what the reaction would have been had this been a CRJ with a 24 year-old CA and a 21 year-old FO . . .
wheelsup
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Messing up is definitely part of flying, I've filled out a few ASAPs in the past few months. But where do you draw the line? We have one guy that has been fired 3x throughout this career here and the union keeps getting his job back.
I wasn't meaning your post Lloyd, I was meaning the one that wanted them to be fired. I know your posting personality man!!!
And agree with your second sentiment regards the mainline/regional role reversal, had it been the case.
PeanuckleCRJ
Poodle Wrangler
Here are a few facts and some connected dots, but certainly not near all of them:
0600 arrival into ATL- sun is not up. Lights for 27R are step 1 and the ILS is not turned on.
It was an LCA, a CA receiving training of some sort (conflicting info whether it was a special airport qual or OE), and an FO.
LCA started feeling ill- the illness progressed through the flight to where he was unable to perform any duties.
CA and FO did not take a break as a result. LCA's illness progressed later in the flight to the point of them declaring a medical emergency.
So... you have 2 pilots who havent had a break for a 10 hour all nighter with the other pilot seriously ill back in the back.
Fast forward to the approach to 27L, which is nicely lit up... sidestep to 27R probably at the marker (thats when they are typically given) to a completely visual runway....and with the fatigue level probably as high as you can imagine- it's very easy to see how this happened.
Inexcusable, but very easy to see how it happened.
0600 arrival into ATL- sun is not up. Lights for 27R are step 1 and the ILS is not turned on.
It was an LCA, a CA receiving training of some sort (conflicting info whether it was a special airport qual or OE), and an FO.
LCA started feeling ill- the illness progressed through the flight to where he was unable to perform any duties.
CA and FO did not take a break as a result. LCA's illness progressed later in the flight to the point of them declaring a medical emergency.
So... you have 2 pilots who havent had a break for a 10 hour all nighter with the other pilot seriously ill back in the back.
Fast forward to the approach to 27L, which is nicely lit up... sidestep to 27R probably at the marker (thats when they are typically given) to a completely visual runway....and with the fatigue level probably as high as you can imagine- it's very easy to see how this happened.
Inexcusable, but very easy to see how it happened.
juan valdez
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Heard a story of this happening at Al Asad in Iraq with an F18. Parallels with huge taxiways next to them.
MikeD you know anything about that one or if true or not?
MikeD you know anything about that one or if true or not?
Not specifically there, but I do remember it happening at Kirkuk. That base, when I was there, was two runways......13/31 and 14/32.....darn near parallel. 14/32 has since become 15/33.
juan valdez
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May have been, and over time the story details just changed. I don't think I made it to Kirkuk.
acl65pilot
New Member
Yep, there is a lot to this. Wait for the facts to come out.
HeyEng
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Not to discuss anything that is "privileged" in regards to the actual incident, but we had a C-5 land on a taxiway not too long ago. Just the right circumstances to get a VERY EXPERIENCED crew in the wrong situation. It happens and often it happens to the ones you wouldn't expect it to happen to.
pullup
Homewrecker
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
gne in prog
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juan valdez
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Off topic a bit but we were flying around one day and my XO related a story to when he was a junior officer, I think a 1lt or maybe a junior Capt and they were in HI flying the 53D. Flying around in a valley or whatnot and grazed the side with teh rotor's. Surprised me to hear that only because he was literally probably THE safest pilot we had as far as going by the book and always trying to be one step ahead. He kind of had a 'nerd' type reputation or overzealousness of safety, but after hearing that story I could definitely understand.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Yeah, no need to collect the facts or anything first.
The simple fact that someone has been fired three times doesn't necessarily mean anything negative about the pilot. To the contrary, it really indicates something negative about the company. They have apparently been terminating someone without just cause. Arbitrators don't just give people their jobs back for the hell of it. The company was either grossly negligent in how they carried out the terminations (and I doubt they were negligent three times in a row; I'm sure they would have figured it out by the third try), or the terminations were unjustified (very likely).