2010 Payscale question.

Nightbird said:
I figured as much, I was just hoping that I misunderstood because that's so low. If I'm looking at that for a level 12 facility I feel bad for the people in lower levels. Oh well...it is just starting out and will get better.
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Just be careful what you wish for.. I'm glad I'm going to a LVL 8. I get the best of both worlds, too. Tower and TRACON since it's an up/down.. Now here's to not washing out...:beer:
 
Also, you have to understand that when the government changes pay rates, everyone's pay changes. So if you sign a TOL now based on 2009 pay scale, once FY 2010 comes around your pay could change. Right now NATCA is working out a new contract with the FAA, if it isn't settled by the end of the month, it goes to arbitration. Also, if you are getting 16% locality pay, then it would be 33,700 * 1.16 not 1.36. I believe the highest locality pay is 27.96% which makes the starting salary at a facility at that locality pay, under the current pay scale would be 33,700 * 1.2796 = $43,122.52

Another thing, it is not necessarily true that everyone at the academy gets paid the same. It is my understanding that veterans start at the academy at the $33,700 base pay, though I don't remember where I read that. They also receive seniority over non-Veterans with the same experience at a facility with regards to shifts and days off. If you are a civilian and arrive at your facility the same day as a Veteran, the Veteran has seniority.
 
Peteistheman82 said:
I had my PEPC in January 09 and I signed my Tol at $32,900 + 16 %Locality pay for AZ.
Thanks
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I think your brother might be confused. The TOL I received today very cleary said my salary for ZAU was $41,xxx which included the locality pay of 24.47%. Base pay plus a locality pay of 36% would probably make the total right around $45k.
 
greg1016 said:
Also, you have to understand that when the government changes pay rates, everyone's pay changes. So if you sign a TOL now based on 2009 pay scale, once FY 2010 comes around your pay could change. Right now NATCA is working out a new contract with the FAA, if it isn't settled by the end of the month, it goes to arbitration. Also, if you are getting 16% locality pay, then it would be 33,700 * 1.16 not 1.36. I believe the highest locality pay is 27.96% which makes the starting salary at a facility at that locality pay, under the current pay scale would be 33,700 * 1.2796 = $43,122.52

Another thing, it is not necessarily true that everyone at the academy gets paid the same. It is my understanding that veterans start at the academy at the $33,700 base pay, though I don't remember where I read that. They also receive seniority over non-Veterans with the same experience at a facility with regards to shifts and days off. If you are a civilian and arrive at your facility the same day as a Veteran, the Veteran has seniority.
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Correct.

My post above was just in regards to OTS applicants since most people on these boards are applying OTS. I should have clarified.
 
Locality pay at the Academy is over 28%...I was surprised it was that high. Guess they want to give you as much money to live on as possible.
 
mbalunda said:
Locality pay at the Academy is over 28%...I was surprised it was that high. Guess they want to give you as much money to live on as possible.
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No.

The locality pay you get while you are at the Academy is the locality percentage you will be receiving when you arrive at your facility.

For example, assuming I will be paying for all of my expenses out of pocket and receiving the FULL 80.40 per day for per-diem, this is how it will work:

If I'm going to a facility that has a "Rest of the Nation" locality (13.86%) then I will receive my base Academy pay * 1.1386 PLUS the daily per-diem rate of 80.40 per day.

If I'm going to a facility with a 26% locality rate, while at the Academy I will get base Academy pay * 1.26 PLUS the daily per-diem rate of 80.40 per day.

People going to Washington Center or MIA TRACON are going to be making more than me at the Academy regardless, because I will not live in a high cost-of-living area.
 
swinte00 said:
No.

The locality pay you get while you are at the Academy is the locality percentage you will be receiving when you arrive at your facility.

For example, assuming I will be paying for all of my expenses out of pocket and receiving the FULL 80.40 per day for per-diem, this is how it will work:

If I'm going to a facility that has a "Rest of the Nation" locality (13.86%) then I will receive my base Academy pay * 1.1386 PLUS the daily per-diem rate of 80.40 per day.

If I'm going to a facility with a 26% locality rate, while at the Academy I will get base Academy pay * 1.26 PLUS the daily per-diem rate of 80.40 per day.

People going to Washington Center or MIA TRACON are going to be making more than me at the Academy regardless, because I will not live in a high cost-of-living area.
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I thought that's how it worked, my TOL says something different from what I got from my HR rep. My actual TOL has the locality of 24.47% for both the Academy and for Aurora. Another sheet I got today with my HR persons contact info says:

As indicated in our TOL dated June, 22, 2009, you have been selected for an Excepted Appointment for the following position:

Position: ATCS
Type of Apointment: Excepted Appointment
Salary: $22,500 per annum, which includes 28.28% locality pay
Option: EnRoute
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Must just be a typo though. Thought it was curious that locality would be higher at school.
 
greg1016 said:
Another thing, it is not necessarily true that everyone at the academy gets paid the same. It is my understanding that veterans start at the academy at the $33,700 base pay, though I don't remember where I read that. They also receive seniority over non-Veterans with the same experience at a facility with regards to shifts and days off. If you are a civilian and arrive at your facility the same day as a Veteran, the Veteran has seniority.
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Now, here's a question for ya...would a veteran applying through a PUBNAT get the higher rate of pay or the regular OTS pay while at the academy?
 
ATCJefe said:
Now, here's a question for ya...would a veteran applying through a PUBNAT get the higher rate of pay or the regular OTS pay while at the academy?
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I believe that is for all Veterans, not just VRAs (which is only for military controllers).
 
ATCJefe said:
is it? or is it an allowance like COLA? in the military (and I'm assuming since this is a federal job it's the same) We didn't get taxed on anything except base pay and bonuses.
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that's what I'm wondering too. Although I think locality pay and COLA might be classified differently... :confused:
 
locality pay is taxed, COLA is not, I believe I read about controllers in remote areas getting COLA in addition to locality pay, with locality being taxed and COLA exempt
 
greg1016 said:
locality pay is taxed, COLA is not, I believe I read about controllers in remote areas getting COLA in addition to locality pay, with locality being taxed and COLA exempt
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Correct. Locality is taxed. COLA is not.

Per-diem is also NOT taxed. :rawk:
 
Don't quote me, but I believe that Hawaii and Alaska are the only two states that have a COLA. Again, I'm not 100% sure though.
 
swinte00 said:
Correct. Locality is taxed. COLA is not.

Per-diem is also NOT taxed. :rawk:
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The other good thing about Locality vs. COLA is that locality is included in your high 3 for retirement. COLA is subtracted, so in some areas that could be the equivalent of losing 25% of your salary.
 
neverett said:
Don't quote me, but I believe that Hawaii and Alaska are the only two states that have a COLA. Again, I'm not 100% sure though.
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That is correct. However, I have heard that they are considering eliminating COLA for AK and HI, and using locality for those areas. That's just what I heard, though.

Edit: Looks like this is going to happen. Although I don't plan on spending my whole career in Alaska, this is good news.

http://newsminer.com/news/2008/oct/02/senate-supports-eliminating-cola-alaska/
 
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