Do explain.
1500hr Rule - Do you think the industry will adjust? If so, how?
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Firebird2XC
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Most airlines have something like that in place in their own OpSpecs. Has there been a regulatory change? I haven't seen one.
Firebird2XC
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What I posted above was called a 'Question', i.e., a sentence of words followed by that curved symbol above a period at the end. It's an interrogative statement, usually used to request information about unknown things of others.
I assume by your evasion, you either don't know the answer, or are unwilling to provide it. Perhaps you were just regurgitating musings and cliches put forward by others? You seem fond of that.
Firebird2XC
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People "not in the right mind" will crop up anywhere, including this industry. I'd suggest to you, however, that such people do not always have the mental abilities to accumulate such financing, or even to hold onto it if they have it handed to them. As the saying goes, "a fool and his money are soon parted."
Douglas
Old School KSUX
:shrug: but that would make sense to adjust both a bit.
Dr. House's smartass shtick is a lot funnier when Hugh Laurie does it. I was more getting at what relevance that has to the conversation. My guess is it's a dig at my age (I am old enough to buy beer. In the States even!) I get it, you're older than me, I'm not old enough to open my mouth to take part in the conversation.
I respect your intentions with this, I really do. But your continually condescending and egotistical attitude doesn't help your cause at all.
Funny how two guys who never CFI'ed are all over liking this, and one of them is full of advice in the CFI sub forums.
Mike H
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The idea is to kill off the regionals by increasing their costs to the same level as the big-boys. Then everybody is supposed to get rich again
Airline flying never was an entry-level professional flying job, even with reduced minimums. The point is that regionals are entry-level airline jobs.
While I have yet to sit left seat in something that requires a crew(at least for the purposes of logging PIC), I have yet to year a captain mutter anything but this. Seems they all like a guy who has cfi'ed vs. One who hasn't, with a few rare exceptions to the guy logging SIC.
ctab5060X
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No it doesn't. Never said it did. The "10x better" is an obvious exageration intended to make a point. Never quoted or stated it was a fact or a statistical certainty in any way. Besides... most statistics can be manipulated to give whatever results the manipulator wants to show.
You rebut with another personal, anecdotal experience... well played!
Just because something can't be proven correct, doesn't mean that it is not valid. There are two sides to every coin, yet both are important.
This thread was about how the industry will adapt to the ATP rule. All I was doing was pointing out a valid concern that I have seen from my seat. That concern is hiring high time CFIs who still retain that CFI mindset on the 121 flight deck to the point where it becomes a hinderance to the operartion rather than a benefit.
USMCmech
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In 2007 they were entry level jobs, and the puppy mills were placing brand new 250 hour CMEL pilots in 121 airlines.
PSA, TSA, and Colgan had published mins of 250TT and 25 multi, and they were not alone.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
Don't think I'm an anomaly at all- there are lots of pilots out there with a good deal of experience that were not "zero to heros."
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
I actually thought you weren't old enough. But ultimately your inability to communicate your actual intended statement is what hobbles you, not your age. And FYI- people on the receiving end of the 'House' shtick never think it's funny. But everybody watching at home does. Cheers.
seagull
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Coming from 25 years at my company (Captain since 1996), and before that, Captain at two smaller "regional" type operations, to weigh in on the CFI thing, I have to side with those that say that the CFI time is of great value. To act like the person is not making assessments and decisions is inane. The person riding along in the right seat might or might not have learned anything, but given how weak fundamentals are in the industry in general, I would hardly put any weight towards that. I have NEVER encountered a 1,000 hour CFI that tried to run the show at any level. I would venture if someone is running into that, they are likely thinking they know things that they do not (meaning that Captain's knowledge and skills need big time improvement!).
Firebird2XC
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ZING!
Incorrect. For many people, including myself, an airline job was their first paying pilot job. It wasn't the first time I'd been paid for aviation related activities, but the first time somebody said "Your airplane" to me for hire, there were people in the back.
As for the cost leveling between regionals and majors- it won't make anybody rich. But when Senators asked regional airline executives how they expected to hire and retain quality people, they had no real answer for that. This will force them to answer the question.
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
I'm sure there are, but stay with me here- the number of people in your demographic that would be willing to chuck their current meal ticket to fly for a regional airline at present rates of compensation are considerably rare, right? I know you pondered it once or twice.
That'd make you or anybody like you an anomaly. Rich folks with solid main gigs aren't going to give it up to fly little jets and eat Ramen noodles.
We've spoken about this in great length. If I could survive on first and second year pay, I'd be all over a regional job. But financing two years just for a job is foolish!
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
As habitually the youngest or nearly youngest kid in the room at two 121s in a row (but not Gulley young), "does it matter?" is a good answer.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
No, unlikely. If the economics were different, the pilot supply would change though.
Mike H
Well-Known Member
Naturally, the question wasn't "how will you hire & retain quality people and stay in business?" because few senators think any farther than the TV cameras. In reality, they were hiring quality people for the most part; they weren't retaining many of them, because, absent political meddling, they were finding ways to advance their careers, and, more importantly, few of the regionals will be able to stay in business under the new rules because there's a limit to what passengers will pay for airline service