trafficinsight
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0 to 100 but okay, I'll play....
Actually nevermind, it's too much to explain. The people that know, know.
121 guys, how does this happen? (AKA,Oh Delta)
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0 to 100 but okay, I'll play....
Actually nevermind, it's too much to explain. The people that know, know.
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Sir, this is a Wendy’s
Victor Squawk
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The Ramper Hero reporting for duty.
Sometimes rampers were never trained to use the air start machine and just try to do their best if no one is there who knows how to do it. Sometimes the air conditioning machine is set to cool and blows hot air anyway. We feel it while we clean the garbage out of the plane. There's usually not enough time to make a big deal out of it so they just pull the air tube. Sometimes rampers suck at their job and standing outside in triple fareinheit, direct sunlight doesn't help the attitude. Every time a plane exceeds its weight limit, we stand around and worry about having to pull out bags after loading them. I never got a good look at how many bags leave the plane, but I've had to load, unload and reload a plane before and that sucks. I did see how much time gets lost on the whole procedure. Pax get benefits to volunteer off. Ramp just keeps sweating and wasting energy for minimum wage. (I know, I know. I get it. The pilot is giving a ride to the pax, ramp serves the pax, bottom of the importance ladder and all that).
Run those APUs, pilots, please. We save a bit of time by pulling the tube sooner. The passengers are key figures in this enterprise. It is important to give them a good time. Pilots lead the way.
However, please give the rampers a break. The work sucks, and ingestions are not funny. I know some people can't process it well if they witness a violent death, and joking helps relieve the tension. But tensions come and go, the words you write remain (relatively) forever.
As a sweaty ramper, I felt compelled to speak up after reading this thread. Sorry if it rains on the parade.
Sometimes rampers were never trained to use the air start machine and just try to do their best if no one is there who knows how to do it. Sometimes the air conditioning machine is set to cool and blows hot air anyway. We feel it while we clean the garbage out of the plane. There's usually not enough time to make a big deal out of it so they just pull the air tube. Sometimes rampers suck at their job and standing outside in triple fareinheit, direct sunlight doesn't help the attitude. Every time a plane exceeds its weight limit, we stand around and worry about having to pull out bags after loading them. I never got a good look at how many bags leave the plane, but I've had to load, unload and reload a plane before and that sucks. I did see how much time gets lost on the whole procedure. Pax get benefits to volunteer off. Ramp just keeps sweating and wasting energy for minimum wage. (I know, I know. I get it. The pilot is giving a ride to the pax, ramp serves the pax, bottom of the importance ladder and all that).
Run those APUs, pilots, please. We save a bit of time by pulling the tube sooner. The passengers are key figures in this enterprise. It is important to give them a good time. Pilots lead the way.
However, please give the rampers a break. The work sucks, and ingestions are not funny. I know some people can't process it well if they witness a violent death, and joking helps relieve the tension. But tensions come and go, the words you write remain (relatively) forever.
As a sweaty ramper, I felt compelled to speak up after reading this thread. Sorry if it rains on the parade.
phill1174
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Seems like they’re slowly trying to get back to that. We’re doing this other thing though, where we fly 250kts until the mid to late teens (at airports without a note about accelerating at 10K). I guess someone forgot to tell the FAA this though because now they’re wondering why other airplanes are about to run us over out of 10K.
Leadership will always drop the ball "hardest". They have more displacement from which to drop any object.
If everyone worked from the same position of displacement, no one could drop anything any harder than anyone else. (See: Galileo. See: 9.8m/sec/sec.)
If everyone is at the same height above ground as everyone else, then, if anyone's ball hits the ground any harder than anyone else's... rest assured, somebody threw their ball.
well said.
I am glad I had the perspective of working the ramp before I got to move to the other side of the tow bar. it's a mostly thankless job and a lot of hard work out in the elements- can be hard to appreciate if you've never done it and have the empathy of an amphibian
zmiller4
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Or she could have been referring to the actual logistics of flying out of North Bend, which is the closest commercial airport to Bandon Dunes, which houses thousands of guests and has 6 courses.
Chill before you make dumb assumptions.
BEEF SUPREME
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I drove a fuel truck for a while and I have nothing but respect for rampers. Sorry about those here making remarks about the caliber of people hired etc. So far during my 20 years in aviation I’ve discovered that those who disrespect and gripe about rampers are nothing but the most horrible people. Generally trust funders who had their way paid to the airlines and now demand respect even though they have no respect for anyone else. I hear them on the ops frequently often enough. The great thing about being a captain is I don’t have to deal with them directly. I’m sorry that you do.
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Just him feeding his weird antagonistic obsession.
knot4u
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What obsession? This is a perfect example of why the left is dumb. You've decided I have an "antagonistic obsession". Now because you've said it you believe it's true.
zmiller4
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Man I wonder how anyone would get the idea you’re a bit antagonistic?
knot4u
Repeat Offender
Regardless of your feelings I'm allowed to have an opinion, it might not be popular, but it is what it is. If the fact that I think your opinion is worthless bothers you I'd suggest perhaps a more temperate approach to sway my feelings. Just kidding, I love the fact that you think I'm wrong. Life must be boring in your bubble. Moron.
zmiller4
Well-Known Member
Of course you’re allowed to have an opinion. Who has told you otherwise?
No idea where anyone would have gotten that idea.
Do you ever think “self, maybe it’s not my opinions people are struggling with”?
SurferLucas
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For a non-porn site…there are boobs everywhere
trafficinsight
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... in a CRJ-200 No less. You see, load planning would always say "just block it to 35 seats." And when I was an FO I noticed that we'd always go out a few thousand pounds below MTOW and half empty once everything shook out, it always bugged me that we'd leave people and bags behind for what was essentially laziness.
So what I started doing when I was a captain was to get a bag count before we started boarding and run performance with 50 people and the bags from the count. That would usually end up over MTOW and with CG issues, so then I would just work the problem backwards until I got an answer that worked and I could tell them "Send X passengers and Y bags." And we'd be right up to MTOW, leaving as few people and bags behind as possible.
So, as you can see, I'm a leftist liberal baby eating monster
Skåning
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His ex wife figured that out.
nocturnalaviator
AI Jedi
And a lotta dicks. But hey, not that there's anything wrong with that.
SurferLucas
Southern Gentleman
We def don’t kink shame in this next of the woods