121 guys, how does this happen? (AKA,Oh Delta)

BEEF SUPREME said:
Oh man. You caught me doing something stupid. Now you’ll get to rejoice in said stupid thing and you can give me grief about it every time I post. Rejoice! Let’s see how many years you can get out of this one.


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I mean, stop doing stupid things. And the rest should fix itself. :)
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I mean, stop doing stupid things. And the rest should fix itself. :)
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Somehow, I survived the "gauntlet" of the ramp for 6 years in the 121 world and over a decade in 91/135 without getting hurt. It's just amazing how hyper focused some get on an incredibly insignificant thing if they get to infer that I'm dumb.

Congrats to you all.
 
This is the perfect time to set a good example…to check one’s ego, and say “maybe suggesting wearing ear pods was a dumb idea”

Nope, doubling down and making it all about yourself is an even better idea. Never mind the fact that people actually do use this website as a place to gather advice.

Maybe you’ll get lucky and never have an issue, or hopefully, never get injured whilst doing a walk around.

I’ll offer this up, given my 15+ years in the 121 world…with the vast majority of it spent in SEA…the FAA has checked people on the ramp in SEA for just this type of thing. I’ve personally seen it being done, and we had a FO get an earful (literally) from the FAA/company after getting observed wearing EarPods + texting whist doing a preflight.

I also know the calibre of personnel that AAG hires for ramp crew in SEA/etc…I would not put my faith in them, personally.
 
SurferLucas said:
This is the perfect time to set a good example…to check one’s ego, and say “maybe suggesting wearing ear pods was a dumb idea”

Nope, doubling down and making it all about yourself is an even better idea. Never mind the fact that people actually do use this website as a place to gather advice.

Maybe you’ll get lucky and never have an issue, or hopefully, never get injured whilst doing a walk around.

I’ll offer this up, given my 15+ years in the 121 world…with the vast majority of it spent in SEA…the FAA has checked people on the ramp in SEA for just this type of thing. I’ve personally seen it being done, and we had a FO get an earful (literally) from the FAA/company after getting observed wearing EarPods + texting whist doing a preflight.

I also know the calibre of personnel that AAG hires for ramp crew in SEA/etc…I would not put my faith in them, personally.
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Did I ever said I had faith in anything on the ramp? Nope. But here you go inferring that I'm heads down looking at my phone not paying attention. This is what you do anytime I mention something you slightly disagree with. You exaggerate it to a level I would never go do. Phone out, looking at a screen the entire walk around, not even remotely aware of what is around me, trusting completely the minimum wage hacks that populate the ramp. That is totally it my guy!

Then you add in the appeal to authority. The secret squirrel experience with the FAA. Amazing. Usually when I'm speaking with the ramp lead it's to directly ask for the air off so I can run the APU. Or point out one of the major safety issues I have caught on the ramp. I've got an entire photo album of stupid • I find. I've never once seen the FAA doing anything like what you mention. What a useless entity that could give zero •s about safety or what is even happening on the ramp. But your appeal to authority sounds spectacular for those who know nothing. "i KnOW hTe CaLIBer" Please go on.

I have been approached by a ramper for safety issues twice. Once for walking over the tug towbar when I was inspecting the nose wheel. Yes. This was wrong. Technically I was between the tug and the aircraft and she said it was to set a good example to walk around the tug. Ok no problem. The other when I wasn't wearing a mask to protect people from covid, while outside more than 100' from anyone.
 
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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Listen to others and stop doubling down. Doing a walk around with earbuds listening to music is stupid. Leave that crap for your own personal time off.



And don't even get me started on pilots who play music in the flight deck during their pre-flight prep. :bang:
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Listening to music is likely less safe than not. How much? I have no idea. Not wearing any kind of ear protection? Bad idea. Please tell me again how these are worse than the 3M foam earplugs:

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SurferLucas said:
Oh I love when things are so on brand, BS are perfect initials.

Life tough, life’s tougher when you’re stupid.
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Yeah I said you caught me doing something stupid. Now you can engage in personal attacks for years. Here you go. Showing the world what a horrible human you really are.
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
Listening to music is likely less safe than not. How much? I have no idea. Not wearing any kind of ear protection? Bad idea. Please tell me again how these are worse than the 3M foam earplugs:

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These are the only things you should be wearing on the ramp. But hey, if you get whacked by a marauding turd hearse and the investigation determines you had your stupid music on, it probably saves the Air Group a good amount in damages.
 
Occasionally I'll use them to listen to music. Like once in a while when they are already in my ears after I've made it down to the airplane. It's not every time I'm on the ramp. I don't have my phone out. I do listen to music. Probably wouldn't be in Seattle. Sitka? Yakutat? Gustavus? Yeah I might listen to some tunes.

I know for a fact they work better than the 3M variety and if I need to speak with someone I don't need to pull them out to hear. I hear better with them in.

I love how you guys blow something up when I mention to someone I have bluetooth earbuds that I carry for the walk around so I can do the walkaround with earpro in. That somehow becomes me staring at my phone on every walk around at the most busy airport rocking out and not paying attention at all.
 
Most less-than-optimal operational decisions I’ve seen seem to be prefaced with “well, the company would really like us to do this {insert optional process here that is heavy on the “highly situationally dependent”} but somehow it’s treated as a must do.
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
Funny enough that I should have 4 legs with no APU today.

The start cart can crank the AC. I spent a lot of time on the ramp today…


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The huffer cart is just an APU on wheels that’s only reason for existence is to provide enough pressurized air to start the engines on an airplane with a broken APU. I worked for a company that had one and offered its use for a handsome fee, if memory serves it was between $1500-2000. We’d get requests to use it to sit on the ramp and provide air for the packs, the answer was always “No”. That’s not what it was built for, it doesn’t have a load control valve that’s tied into the ECS of the airplane and runs at 100% at all times. Most of the huffer carts I’ve seen are ex-military and were designed for starting engines not running air cycle machines.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
At the fOOrmer employer, I had the VPFO on the jump seat with no APU and no ACARS once, and this was when manual performance was still very much a thing, and the horrible weight and balance worksheets for the 175 provided at least some discussion of “so if you want to fix something, fix this. And thanks for the high workload MEL, but at least it’s only 54 degrees freedom out.”

God bless Aerodata though.
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Oof I’d forgotten about the weight and balance wheel. I knew how how to use that thing exactly for exactly three months. The first month after initial and type ride, the first month after initial at a new airline, and the first month after upgrade.

Other guy: “looks like we need to do a manual weight and balance”

Me: “absolutely not” *picks up phone to call dispatch.
 
poser765 said:
Oof I’d forgotten about the weight and balance wheel. I knew how how to use that thing exactly for exactly three months. The first month after initial and type ride, the first month after initial at a new airline, and the first month after upgrade.

Other guy: “looks like we need to do a manual weight and balance”

Me: “absolutely not” *picks up phone to call dispatch.
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Oh the wheel was easy. The worksheets were awful.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
At the fOOrmer employer, I had the VPFO on the jump seat with no APU and no ACARS once, and this was when manual performance was still very much a thing, and the horrible weight and balance worksheets for the 175 provided at least some discussion of “so if you want to fix something, fix this. And thanks for the high workload MEL, but at least it’s only 54 degrees freedom out.”

God bless Aerodata though.
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Imma say it and I don't care if I get dragged.

Flight team made paper performance easy. Especially handy in OTH when I had to figure out how many of these • golf bags I had to leave behind in order to take all the people.
 
trafficinsight said:
Imma say it and I don't care if I get dragged.

Flight team made paper performance easy. Especially handy in OTH when I had to figure out how many of these • golf bags I had to leave behind in order to take all the people.
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Golf bags? Are you so entrenched in your ideology that you consider anyone that plays golf as some sort of boogeyman and you'd target them for inconvenience if you could?
 
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