121 guys, how does this happen? (AKA,Oh Delta)

Boris Badenov said:
To this day, I can't work out what his vendetta is about. Best guess: he's angry that someone, somewhere, may have actually enjoyed flying an airplane, at some point, and he's working hard to point out that this was a Crime Against Humanity ("if I'm incapable of enjoying something obviously and uncomplicatedly fun, no one else should enjoy it, either", etc.).
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No clue either.

Maybe he went to NBAA and realized that the airlines are still technologically wearing bell bottoms?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Last summer tried to take a SKY E175 from SEA-DEN as a j/s, with a seat in the back. Informed there was no CA and we were waiting on that. Okay. Now we are SWEATING. All boarded up. It was the hottest I’ve ever been on a plane. Luckily I had a big water bottle and that helped. Finally after over 30 minutes sweating away, we de-board. CA apparently will take longer than expected.


Getting off the plane, I was in the back so I was off last. The FO left the flight deck right behind me. Extremely young, had to be a 21-23 yr old. I commented that it sucks when we have no APU on hot days…

I kid you not, the kid goes “oh we have an APU, but I didn’t touch it because CAs do that…”

I thought it was a joke. But the kid was actually serious. (The first and only time in my life I’ve told a pilot at another airline how to do their job). I couldn’t say “look, son…” because I was 38 and still looked young-ish. But as nicely and professionally as I could, I said hey look, it doesn’t matter if the CA isn’t there, you have a plane full of people boarded up and they’re boiling. You have every right to reach up, turn the APU on, and then establish the bleeds/packs and get cold air going. If the CA isn’t there, you can do it.

The kid called me Sir and I could tell he was waaaaay green. And he did mention he was fresh off IOE.

I don’t care what Skywest’s policy is. The FO should feel empowered to run APU and packs if the CA isn’t there. Probably just a green horn case, but hopefully he learned for next time.
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trafficinsight said:
Never heard anything from my direct reports about any of it, it was mainly dispatch, scheduling, those types.
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“Well, I wonder what your chief pilot will say about it.”
“He’s shoveling the driveway so his 88 pilot wife can get the car out. I doubt he wants you to bother him.”
 
Boris Badenov said:
To this day, I can't work out what his vendetta is about. Best guess: he's angry that someone, somewhere, may have actually enjoyed flying an airplane, at some point, and he's working hard to point out that this was a Crime Against Humanity ("if I'm incapable of enjoying something obviously and uncomplicatedly fun, no one else should enjoy it, either", etc.).
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It’s deeply rooted insecurity that he’s trying to address by putting down other groups—Delta pilots, corporate pilots, young pilots, liberals…it’s a pretty big list.
 
Oh look, even after explaining that my posts that end with a ;) face imply a joke, as in not serious, the usual suspects still don’t get it. In this particular case, I was just playing on SteveC using Corpie. But no. The usual JC gang has to take it personal and feign outrage.



zmiller4 said:
It’s deeply rooted insecurity that he’s trying to address by putting down other groups—Delta pilots, corporate pilots, young pilots, liberals…it’s a pretty big list.
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Your incorrect assessment and faux outrage is noted and summarily dismissed.
 
At my airline one of our major hubs instructs crews to leave APU's running to cool the cabin. And our union put out a memo saying run APU's if it's hot because it can become a safety issue.

It can get really hot if the APU is INOP, even with ground air connected. When you delay boarding at a hub you can guarantee a supervisor will be on your airplane with a handheld thermometer within minutes to determine the temperature. The ensuing conversation usually isn't very pleasant. As long as you keep your cool (see what I did there) during the conversation and have a valid reason for delaying boarding you will never hear anything from a Chief Pilot.
 
Being on the Deuce for near a decade I learned a little about hot cabins and had more than a couple of shoulda woulda coulda moments. One of those we had a very weak APU and we‘re caught in a huge conga line because half the SID gates are shut down. I need the aircraft to cool down now and getting in the air the quickest is the best way. How do you ask ATC to let me cut the line? They told me to go pound sand. Can you declare an emergency to take off sooner? They’d tell me to go back to the gate, which would take even longer. These are thoughts going through my head. Shoulda been more aggressive with ATC that day.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Oh look, even after explaining that my posts that end with a ;) face imply a joke, as in not serious, the usual suspects still don’t get it. In this particular case, I was just playing on SteveC using Corpie. But no. The usual JC gang has to take it personal and feign outrage.





Your incorrect assessment and faux outrage is noted and summarily dismissed.
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U mad bro?
 
Boris Badenov said:
Nothing has changed, you'll be stunned to learn, I'm sure. The guys in CGN are *usually* on the spot (Ze Chermans sind sehr Efficient, ja?). And most east-Asian gateways are ok, too. But anywhere else, 90% of the C/As I fly with just tell me to crank it, and on the rare occasion that they don't, we sit there for 5 minutes with #4 running while the circus music plays in our heads.

I would love to see an experiment regarding how long it takes to get ground power in, say, Delhi. We might run out of fuel.
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Without fail, pull into the gate with the APU running, you’ll get plugged in. Wait and see, they probably don’t even have a cart.
 
Walked onto the plane last night and turned on the APU. Crazy concept as the plane was hot and needed air.

But that didn’t stop 2 gates next to me calling ops for air and the other discussing getting a mechanic to look into the air not blowing cold enough from another jetbridge.

I must just miss the “big picture” of what those finance bros have decided up there. Oh well. My airplane was comfortable.
 
tcco94 said:
Walked onto the plane last night and turned on the APU. Crazy concept as the plane was hot and needed air.

But that didn’t stop 2 gates next to me calling ops for air and the other discussing getting a mechanic to look into the air not blowing cold enough from another jetbridge.

I must just miss the “big picture” of what those finance bros have decided up there. Oh well. My airplane was comfortable.
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Sir, you're out of line!
 
tcco94 said:
Walked onto the plane last night and turned on the APU. Crazy concept as the plane was hot and needed air.

But that didn’t stop 2 gates next to me calling ops for air and the other discussing getting a mechanic to look into the air not blowing cold enough from another jetbridge.

I must just miss the “big picture” of what those finance bros have decided up there. Oh well. My airplane was comfortable.
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A rebel with a cause
 
tcco94 said:
Walked onto the plane last night and turned on the APU. Crazy concept as the plane was hot and needed air.

But that didn’t stop 2 gates next to me calling ops for air and the other discussing getting a mechanic to look into the air not blowing cold enough from another jetbridge.

I must just miss the “big picture” of what those finance bros have decided up there. Oh well. My airplane was comfortable.
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We go through phases at SouthernJets when someone has the idea of an "APU Sheriff" (I don't answer no cop questions) or an "APU Ambassador" when fuel prices go up or some new middle level manager wants his name on something.

So I'm in JFK, hot as hell airplane I arrived to and I crank the APU and run the packs full cold. A guy I knew for few years pops up and asked if I called operations for ground air.

"Nope" and I resume doing my preflight items and ask him how the wife is doing and if he's still commuting from N. Carolina.

"Well I'm really here because we have a new initiative to educate pilots about…"

"Hey, when you came to the aircraft, did you see the hose hooked up?"

"No, but"

"Your first call should have been to the ramp supervisor to ask why it WASNT hooked up, that's a ramp job. My job is to get the aircraft comfortable in order to board in the most time efficient method possible because ramp failed to do their job. The APU means someone failed to do their job downstairs with first quality. [Name] is free to stay and chat, but APU Sheriff [Name] can have a coke and a smile and get off my aircraft"

We still laugh about that whenever I see him.
 
Hot or not, I’m apu bleed on from first passenger on to last passenger off. I will turn off the APU if the airplane is sitting for a bit and it’s not terribly hot out.

If it’s somewhat hot before you load 200 people, it will be unbearable after.

Without reading the story with DL, I imagine there is a chain of unforeseen events that lead to the temp being this high and not just some guy not wanting to start the apu.
 
I can’t believe this is still a discussion.
I operate aircraft systems, to the best of my ability, based on conditions.
If conditions warrant, I activate systems, as long as they’re needed.
when they are not needed, I deactivate systems.
I don’t accept aircraft that lack required systems.
If leaders don’t like the way I operate systems, they need to provide adequate alternate systems, or find a new operator.
Duh
 
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