10,000 PLUS FLIGHT HOURS ON THE APACHE

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WEST JORDAN — An Apache helicopter pilot with the Utah National Guard has flown more hours in that craft than anybody in the world, and Friday he took his final flight.

Chief Warrant Officer 5 Ken Jones, 1st Battalion, 211th Attack Reconnaissance Battalion, of the Utah National Guard, is the only pilot in the world to fly more than 10,000 hours in the Apache. Most military pilots retire with 3,000 to 5,000 hours in an aircraft.

“I’ve always loved flying,” he said. “I started off at a young age. I saw John Glenn going around the Earth, and I decided I wanted to do that.”

Jones, 60, is retiring from the National Guard after serving for more than 35 years in the military, nearly 24 of those years with the Utah National Guard.


"The continuity that the National Guard has provided me for the last 23 years has allowed me to develop an outstanding AH-64 Apache combat-flying program, which has also allowed me to fly more than 10,000 flight hours in the AH-64," Jones said. "I have enjoyed every minute being in the Apache and the Utah Army National Guard. It has been a truly great opportunity and honor for me to serve my country in this capacity."

Friday, the Apache standardization instructor pilot took his final flight, and his co-pilot was his son, Chief Warrant Officer 4 Jared Jones, who is also an Apache pilot with the same unit.

“He’s grown up around it. He’s been really good, now I learn from him,” Ken Jones said of his son. “He’s a great pilot.”

For his last flight, “We went up to the mountains where we practiced our Afghan maneuvers and then went out to the desert,” he said.


They also flew together in Afghanistan. Ken Jones served four combat tours in Afghanistan with more than 2,000 combat-flight hours. When flying in combat, he relied on his training to get the job done.

“Maybe one time, some tracer fire scared me a little bit because it got kind of close,” he said. “But for the most part, you train for it.”

On a couple of occasions, he helped evacuate troops under fire. One of the missions involved a night landing in the rugged mountains of Afghanistan to fly numerous special-operations personnel to safety.

“I’ll never forget those missions,” he said. “They’re memory-makers. You will remember them for the rest of your life.”

His son says in addition to just loving to fly, his father loves to teach.

“He enjoys getting to show the new guys the ropes and make them combat-effective pilots for what we do for our missions,” Jared Jones said.

“You want to pass the information you learned on to the young guys,” Ken Jones said. “And then the young guys pass it to the next guys, and we just keep the circle of learning going.”

The vast experience and knowledge he has was also used as he briefed members of the National Committee on the Future of the Army during its evaluation of the Army Aviation Restructuring Initiative which, if unchanged, will reallocate all Apache helicopters to the active component of the Army.

"Chief (Ken) Jones is a valued member of our organization who has demonstrated his patriotism and dedication every day during his more than 35 years of service," said Maj. Gen. Jeff Burton, adjutant general of the Utah National Guard, in a statement. "Men and women like this are the invaluable assets to our nation's defense that will be squandered should the Army Restructuring Initiative take the Apaches from the Guard's formations."

Lt. Col. Ricky Smith, Commander of 1st Battalion, 211th Attack Reconnaissance Battalion, said the experience of pilots like Jones is a key reason the Utah National Guard fought to keep its battalion.

"Our strength in the Guard is typically we get guys that come in and they stay here 20, 30, 40 years,” Smith said, and fly more than 2,200 hours in combat. “It’s long hours, a lot of tenacity to make it all happen. I love doing it, and because of that, I just keep pushing.”

Even after retiring, Ken Jones plans to keep flying helicopters. He will be working for a medical services unit operating out of the University of Utah.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...0-flying-hours-takes-final-flight.html?pg=all


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Stick pig.

:D

You just don't see that and DEFINITELY not in the attack community...maybe in utility or lift.
 
Stick pig.

:D

You just don't see that and DEFINITELY not in the attack community...maybe in utility or lift.

That's exactly most of the people I work with's sentiment about this.

He is guard so that explains some of this but every time I meet an active duty CW5 who gets on the schedule routinely I and all the other company aviators can't help but think "thanks • for ignoring your Brigade job to fly hours that would have been better spent on my PIs."


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The other thing I wondered about was the 64E. 1-211 is transitioning to the E just to turn them over to the AC?
 
The other thing I wondered about was the 64E. 1-211 is transitioning to the E just to turn them over to the AC?
They aren't. E's aren't going to any guard unit. They are guving up thier D models to the Boeing plant in Mesa (which coincidental I flew as active duty birds in Germany) and those D models will be remanufactured as E models. Right now we have 3 Echo battalions total with the forth coming on line after they return from deployment. We are basically settled to get about 1.5 conversions per year for every active duty battalion. Be about 5 years till all of active duty is turned over to E models.


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Here in AZ, the 1-285th Attack closed down their C Company and those birds were being picked up by the active Army. Rumor is, that during acceptance, the birds were found to have some serious issues in maintenance on them that the Army was finding in their acceptance checks. Still trying to get more solid info, but this may not bode well for AZ keeping their Apaches, if true.
 
Here in AZ, the 1-285th Attack closed down their C Company and those birds were being picked up by the active Army. Rumor is, that during acceptance, the birds were found to have some serious issues in maintenance on them that the Army was finding in their acceptance checks. Still trying to get more solid info, but this may not bode well for AZ keeping their Apaches, if true.

It's retarded because having served in as many different units as I have and been around guard units there is no unit that could run the "acceptance test flight" Gauntlet and make it with a passing grade. The whole fleet is beat to hell and tired. That shouldn't surprise anybody but DA (department of the Army) acts surprised anyway.

There is a dicked up competition between guard units coming though with this new proposal to let 3 reduced (18 vice 24) battalions of guard continue. We shall see who has the congressmen with enough clout to stay since no decision about military efficiency ever overrides political ambition.

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It's retarded because having served in as many different units as I have and been around guard units there is no unit that could run the "acceptance test flight" Gauntlet and make it with a passing grade. The whole fleet is beat to hell and tired. That shouldn't surprise anybody but DA (department of the Army) acts surprised anyway.

There is a dicked up competition between guard units coming though with this new proposal to let 3 reduced (18 vice 24) battalions of guard continue. We shall see who has the congressmen with enough clout to stay since no decision about military efficiency ever overrides political ambition.

Off the top of my head, I know AZ, UT, and SC have Apaches. I don't think FL does anymore. What other states are competing (I can't remember all the states that have them).
 
TX has them at Ellington if I recall correctly. Idaho as well.

Idaho is guard and makes a good argument to keep there's. Having worked with those guys they are top end.

Texas is a reserve unit and they just turned their last birds in. Reserve is keeping no apaches but there were only two units (Texas and Kentucky).

If I had to put money on it Id say Arizona and South Carolina will keep there's for sure just due to the nature of who their state senators are. The third group is up for grabs.


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Not yet, but they turned some of theirs over already so they aren't at full strength.


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That's too bad....I had read somewheres a while back, that they had one of their Senators involved in trying to keep them in place.
 
NC and SC got their 64's because of Helms and Thurmond. They're both long gone.

Aviation is a hybrid branch, but I never understood the reason to put Combat Arms in the Guard. There is no state mission for AR, SF, FA, or in this case Apaches. Governors need Transportstion, MP, utility and lift units, and QM (IIRC water purification is a QM task).
 
When is Utah supposed to loose their Apaches?

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No exact date. The whole thing is still in this under review status with the restructuring initiative. So basically Active duty is continuing to do what it was doing like nothing is going on, the guard is dragging its feet kicking and screaming, and we all pretend like the other guy isn't listening.

This has become like its own mini-BRAC.


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