10,000 PLUS FLIGHT HOURS ON THE APACHE

deadstick said:
@fiveninerzero has a good point, by riddle me this: why not a Reserve unit? A federal mission for a federal organization.

@Low_Level_Hell brought up a touchy subject (or at least it used to be). Same mins, BUT how about that flight pay?
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Yup, 1/30th the flight pay for each 4 hour period on duty but the same flight hour requirements. Flight pay shouldn't be based to days of duty, it should be based on flying duty.
 
MikeFavinger said:
Yup, 1/30th the flight pay for each 4 hour period on duty but the same flight hour requirements. Flight pay shouldn't be based to days of duty, it should be based on flying duty.
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Dumb as hell considering the number of active duty warrants and RLOs in non flying jobs or FAC 3 positions who only have to maintain a flight physical to keep getting flight pay.


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Lawman said:
Dumb as hell considering the number of active duty warrants and RLOs in non flying jobs or FAC 3 positions who only have to maintain a flight physical to keep getting flight pay.


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Yeah. And I guess they call it "incentive" pay rather than hazardous duty or flight pay... Now I drive my part time crews hard but I always wonder without the 20 year brass ring available what I the heck is their incentive for staying in? I mean, for your average m-day pilot with a real outside job there's a lot of crap they have to keep up with without the benefit of paid downtime their active duty brethren enjoy.
 
10000 hours in an Apache? Much of it combat time?? Makes my butt hurt just thinking about it. I was in my 40's when I did my combat tour and I needed "Army candy" before and after every mission. Granted, those AH-64 sissies had A/C. ;)

Do Apaches belong in the Guard? Tough call. I will say, however, that Guard technical units such as aviation normally blow away active duty units in the real world. My Guard unit had a guy with 18,000 hours of RW time. Almost all of us were airline, medivac, 135 or police pilots. Almost all of us had done active duty assignments. On one mission it was me and another pilot from my airline as my copilot. We were flying an O-6 around Iraq. He was wearing a headset, and after listening to us talk about missing mother ATL, he asks, "Wait, are you guys airline pilots?" Yes. "Which one?" He asks. We tell him. "No kidding. I am too." Wish we had a camera.

As for the AZ AH-64s being "ragged out": I'm not surprised. Every time a unit turns over airframes they are NEVER good enough.
 
MikeFavinger said:
Yeah. And I guess they call it "incentive" pay rather than hazardous duty or flight pay... Now I drive my part time crews hard but I always wonder without the 20 year brass ring available what I the heck is their incentive for staying in? I mean, for your average m-day pilot with a real outside job there's a lot of crap they have to keep up with without the benefit of paid downtime their active duty brethren enjoy.
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Well we are also the only service branch which doesn't pay the aviation bonus.

Meanwhile the Air Force is throwing mortgage money at guys who already have 12 years in service when they can leave to get them to stay just 5 more years.


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deadstick said:
Nobody gets an inflated ego from flying THAT Apache. :stir:
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Anybody with over 10000 hours in that Apache justifiably should have a hugely inflated ego. Anyone with over 100 hours in that Apache has likely had an engine out on takeoff. Surviving that situation should make you feel reeeeaaal confident about your multi-engine emergency skills. Losing one engine in that Apache is worse than losing both engines in a helo.
 
MikeFavinger said:
Yeah. And I guess they call it "incentive" pay rather than hazardous duty or flight pay... Now I drive my part time crews hard but I always wonder without the 20 year brass ring available what I the heck is their incentive for staying in? I mean, for your average m-day pilot with a real outside job there's a lot of crap they have to keep up with without the benefit of paid downtime their active duty brethren enjoy.
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No joke. I drove almost 300 miles to my unit. Always did AFTPs before or after drill.
 
fholbert said:
I really felt sorry for the pilot at first.

Thought we were talking about this model Apache.

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That's a cool looking airplane, but it gives me flashbacks of when a fellow CFI went rogue and continually tried to poach my multi-engine students by offering them free instruction at a much reduced hourly cost in a competitors Apache during my Reid-Hillview days.
 
MikeFavinger said:
Yeah. And I guess they call it "incentive" pay rather than hazardous duty or flight pay... Now I drive my part time crews hard but I always wonder without the 20 year brass ring available what I the heck is their incentive for staying in? I mean, for your average m-day pilot with a real outside job there's a lot of crap they have to keep up with without the benefit of paid downtime their active duty brethren enjoy.
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Maybe they do it for the chicks?
 
Derg said:
That's a cool looking airplane, but it gives me flashbacks of when a fellow CFI went rogue and continually tried to poach my multi-engine students by offering them free instruction at a much reduced hourly cost in a competitors Apache during my Reid-Hillview days.
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I'm still trying to find the cool looking part on the Apache?

Full disclosure: In 1978 I got my ME in a '68 Aztec but it had 250hp on each side and a lot longer nose.
 
Soku39 said:
Well that sure sucks.
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It's not helpful that the Army is making it pain for the sake of pain. It's basically compared to a 9 month NTC rotation. Only without the flying. Just lots of "training" also known as busy work to fill OER space and make story boards out of.

The Kuwait unit is basically the reserve/MX support for the forward elements in Iraq.


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