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I just emailed to ask when to expect geographic preferences.

I was told 2-3 months. Months.

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My joy at my awesome AT-SAT score is gone now.
 
I just emailed to ask when to expect geographic preferences.

I was told 2-3 months. Months.

Yeah, whatever. Call back right now and they'll tell you that you'll get it in 2-3 hours.

Actually, they'll tell you "No agents are available right now. Please try your call again later."

But on the 74th time, then they'll tell you that. Remember this post? http://forums.jetcareers.com/920290-post174.html Don't put too much stock in what the help line says, they just work there.
 
Yeah, whatever. Call back right now and they'll tell you that you'll get it in 2-3 hours.

Actually, they'll tell you "No agents are available right now. Please try your call again later."

But on the 74th time, then they'll tell you that. Remember this post? http://forums.jetcareers.com/920290-post174.html Don't put too much stock in what the help line says, they just work there.

Well actually this guy has been spot-on about everything I've asked him so far. If I was making a random careers division phone call I wouldn't believe it. I don't even bother calling careers division anymore. But this dude has gotten everything else right.

I still hope he's wrong.
 
A little backdrop on how the AT-SAT scores stack up. This is first hand knowledge -- I ran off some applicant forms a couple of weeks ago and the ATC district manager (who works down the hall from me) and I had a conversation about it when I told him my score.

The panels are reviewing a referral list. In his experience (he doesn't sit on every panel).. there are actually two separate forms. The first is the WQ list, organized in order of AT-SAT score. If there are 200 names on this list, and your STATE has a vacancy of 150, then 50 individuals will not be selected for that panel. However, if the state in question has a vacancy of 300, and there are 200 people on the WQ list, then the Q list is brought out and the top 100 scores from that are selected. He said that with the overwhelming need for controllers that is often the case.

I asked him specifically about my score, since I made a 85.4, which is just barely WQ. He said that my score is good enough to get picked up.. just not picked up as quickly as someone with a 100. I also have a college degree, and I have a 10 point disabled vet preference.. and even now I'm not sure how that stacks up in the process. On the form that covers each individual employment package it has blocks that assign "points" for degrees, etc. I doubt these would be added to an AT-SAT score, but I could see those points contributing to a final rating that could be a factor when they are actually being reviewed.

As I said, this is from my own conversation with the DM for ATC in this area -- as well as my review of our paperwork here in tech ops. I still have unanswered questions myself, but I can say that AT-SAT is not a "ranged" score, i.e. a 85 buys you a 100, or a 70 buys you a 84. As much as I wish it was the case, it just isn't that way.

A final point that was made to me was -- you have a significantly better shot of getting a slot if you geopref states that have a large need. That geographic preference form isn't a "dream sheet".. it's really a decision of how stiff your competition is going to be to get where you want to go. I realize that some people have gotten picked up for states where they didn't even list one, but how exactly that occured is beyond me.
 
Thanks for that information FS1! I too received a barley wq score (85) and wondered the same thing. I do have a degree so hopefully that will help. I know this has been asked a million times, but wonder what states really do have the greatest need right now? I guess time will only tell...

2-3 months for geopref?? Oy veh... Here's to hoping I am hired before I turn 30. 10 months and counting... :rolleyes:
 
I really hope that it doesn't take 2-3 months for that Geo Pref email! I realize many people before us waited much longer than that, but I was hoping with the need for controllers they would at least keep up with the pace they have been going.

We'll see I guess. There's not much we can do but wait.
 
Thank you FS1 for those insightful comments. I strongly suspected that the panels worked that way, even though countless people on this forum have sworn that 70=84 and 85=100. The two forms, each ranked in order of score, makes a lot more sense to me. It sure makes me (with my 84) feel a lot better, knowing I will be near the top of the Q. list. Gracias!
 
I know this has been asked a million times, but wonder what states really do have the greatest need right now? I guess time will only tell...

:rolleyes:

Well, I don't post much because I don't like to speculate -- particularly since my job in the agency doesn't entail staffing. However, I would imagine that NATCA has the numbers on that, though you can always look to see where the biggest concentration of large facilities are located. I know there are people here who have put GA and NY and not gotten picked up, but it seems the need in those two areas would be significant.

I know one thing though.. here in the Carolinas we are packed with developmentals. There are talks among the newer controllers that training is slowing down because the program here locally can't efficiently handle them all. I was originally going to try to get back here to CLT, but I'm thinking now it would be faster to certify elsewhere and transfer back.
 
Just wanted to say hi, and thanks for all the information I am receiving about this. I took the test on August 13 in L.I, New York and was wondering what happens next. I scored a 98.8 so I hope the list comes out soon. By the way, what are the age ranges for PUBNAT3? Just asking I'm 23.
 
Thanks for the info FS1!!!!

For what it's worth a few weeks ago they said on the phone the referral list would be made September 8th...........

Oh yeah, and I'm 22.
 
Hey Im 25. I Just Want To Make Sure I Have This Right, The Next Step Is Waiting For The Geo Preference, Then Pepc, Then Tol, Fol, Then Okc, Right? I Also Was Wondering What Is Zny? I Really Dont Know Anything About The Facilities But I Know I Want To Go To Houston. Can Anyone Give Me Any Information Or At Least Where I Can Go To Learn About That Facility?
 
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