XJT Rejects SKW's Takeover Bid

I wrote this one in a different (and certainly not as well read) thread, and I think it fits in real well over here too.


OldTownPilot said:
And so you attack right back?

This bickering crap is a two way street. Toughen up, and let things bounce off of you.

I was interviewing for an oil rig job a couple of months ago. One of the questions the interviewer asked was "you are going to be working on a rig in a fairly remote area for three weeks at a time. How are you going to handle disagreements and arguments that WILL arise?"

Mind you I didn't get the job (that I know of) but my answer went like this: I'm a pretty easy going guy, and in an environment like that you have to let all of that just bounce off of you. But if it absolutely came to it, its all about having a professional respect for the other guy. They were hired by the same standards you were, and they can do the job just as capable as you.

I know times are rough for a lot of the airline pilots out there right now, I know you have some disagreements, but at least show a professional respect for the other guy. I have my doubts on how some of you get along with each other and get the job done for 4 days, say nothing of three weeks living with the other guy.

You know how your mother used to say "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it at all"? I think a lot of you need to ask that same question before you post on here.
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Just my whole take on the Airline pilots forum right now.
 
pat84106 said:
Don't worry there won't be a merger of the lists. It can't happen, so don't worry about a staple job.
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It's required to happen, reference the ExpressJet CPA. If ExpressJet is purchased, it will be required to be done. If it's not accomplished it's a violation of the CPA, which is binding reference the RLA, and with that the Mohawk-Allegheny Act.

Neither Skywest, nor the company, can simply disband the union nor can they prevent a list merger from happening. It WILL happen, and it WILL NOT be pretty.
 
Doug Taylor said:
You can respect someone and disagree with some of their views. It doesn't necessarily mean they're an enemy to be vanquished at all costs, just different perspectives on the issue.
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I can't respect someone whose actions based on said views are detrimental to my profession. Someone who votes NO to a union is attacking my profession. I can't respect that.
 
An anonymous person on the internet probably isn't worth the ulcers.

It probably was in reference to the policies of the administration and judges of the past 8 years. I feel the same way with respect to that.
 
jtrain609 said:
It's required to happen, reference the ExpressJet CPA. If ExpressJet is purchased, it will be required to be done. If it's not accomplished it's a violation of the CPA, which is binding reference the RLA, and with that the Mohawk-Allegheny Act.

Neither Skywest, nor the company, can simply disband the union nor can they prevent a list merger from happening. It WILL happen, and it WILL NOT be pretty.
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True but in the letter JA sent it stated the deal was set on the idea that it would only be signed if that provision was destroyed from the contract. Xjt has a card at the table with that, they can and SHOULD get rid of that and get something that can protect their jobs even better. I'm sure the mec will get rid of it for some other provision like a no furlough provision. Or Xjt can stay stand alone either way there won't be ANY way that the airlines would merge.

Skywest is non-union and JA will do anything to make sure it stays that way and all his airlines are stand alone.
 
pat84106 said:
True but in the letter JA sent it stated the deal was set on the idea that it would only be signed if that provision was destroyed from the contract. Xjt has a card at the table with that, they can and SHOULD get rid of that and get something that can protect their jobs even better.
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Um, no. They shouldn't. It already protects their jobs. Why would Skywest give them something that protects their jobs BETTER if they don't want what's already in place?

I'm sure the mec will get rid of it for some other provision like a no furlough provision. Or Xjt can stay stand alone either way there won't be ANY way that the airlines would merge.
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I'm not so sure, and I don't think they should. You're basically signing your job away. I'll say it one more time. If they sign away that provision, Skywest is under no obligation to give them ANYTHING. They have no protection against Skywest suddenly saying "Well, this experiment failed. We're transferring the CAL flying to Skywest and shuttng down XJT. Have a good one!" I highly doubt Skywest management is going to sign off on a "no furlough" provision. Without the protection they currently have, if Skywest management were to do that (and if they lost a major contract, like, say, Delta they might) XJT pilots would be in the same place they would be if they stood tall.....on the street.

Skywest is non-union and JA will do anything to make sure it stays that way and all his airlines are stand alone.
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I don't see how you could have three stand-alone airlines with all the infrastructure that goes along with it (directors, SOCs, pilot groups, planes, etc) and still remain competitive. With that kind of overhead it's gonna make it tough to compete with places like Republic. They've got several different certs, but it's all technically one company. I don't think Pinnacle and Colgan will remain separate for long for the same reason. If they kept Skywest, ASA and XJT all separate, you'd have 3 training departments, 3 pilot groups, 3 MX departments, 3 executive payrolls, 3 SOCs, etc, etc.

You can't look at just what's going on RIGHT NOW. You have to look down the road a bit and see what's possible.
 
PCL_128 said:
He may be a "nice guy," but I find it difficult to respect someone who refuses to answer a simple yes or no question.
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I am also a fighter for what is right. I also understand the meaning of discretion, decorum and respect, these are words you should aquaint yourself with and try to demonstrate once in a while, you have a very hard time with this.

Additionally, I only crave respect from those I respect, if you can figure out how to tone down your intolerable rantings, I may feel that I would like respect from you, as of now I don't much care.

I have the respect of those I admire.

You have so much knowledge about these issues, if you would just figure out how to communicate them without so much anger, they would be far more well recieved. I learn from your posts, which is why I don't put you on ignore, although sometimes I need a beer to choke it down. Do yourself a favor and just admit to yourself that there may be a better way to communicate, then you will far better accomplish your task. :)

Thanks to those of you who came to my defense! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGG:rawk::rawk::rawk:


Free Tibet
 
PCL_128 said:
I can't even say "damned" anymore?! What the hell? Wait, is "hell" also verboten?
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sure, you can say damned all you want, it's not censored albiet not a positive word either... but... not when you're insulting the very forum you're posting on (and when said post is reported because of it). that's demeaning to a resource you seem to frequently enjoy and learn (or pass knowledge) on, don't you think?

trying to up the positivity, direction and useful education of the board shouldn't be insulted, if you ask me.
 
Bumblebee said:
You know I loves me some Amber too!:) (and not just ale:D)
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Speaking of all things Amber. We had a server tonight named Amberly and wow, just wow... She was definitely the gem of Florence Kentucky. I didn't know they made em like that here in Kentucky. Had a few more Sam Adams than I was planning on because of her.
 
pat84106 said:
Unions are pretty much done in this country
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Amazing. . .I bet you have a finance or economics degree too huh? Another pilot with a finance / economics / globalization mindset who is willing to compete with Indians or Chinese individuals on work visas for a flying job.

Well I'm not. I'm not willing to sit on my hands while some in our profession find it acceptable to allow the free market theorem to run our profession.

(Gross generalization. . .but you see my point. . .)

Todd,

PCL_128 said:
Because of the <edited> forum rules, I can't really tell you what I think of you. Use your imagination.
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It's clear where many of us on this forum stand. I have to say that it is a significant disappointment that the anti-union individuals here are being coddled and said "Oh it's okay. . .you can harm me and my livelihood. . .it's all good" Because to be honest, that is what is being said by the silence of a select few.

It's clear that unions have done some serious professional career protection for some of our primary forum leader(s), yet the recognition of these acts are tossed aside so that only the negative rants by a select few are allowed to discredit the great work done by our unions.

PCL_128 said:
I can't respect someone whose actions based on said views are detrimental to my profession. Someone who votes NO to a union is attacking my profession. I can't respect that.
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Not just YOUR profession, OUR profession.

But you know that. . .
 
I'm as pro-union as the next guy. But when you try to shove something down my throat without reason, or without seeing where the other guy is coming from, you do more harm than good.

Call me names, call me a scab, tell me I don't have a clue...it ain't no thing. The attitude some show at this site is laughable. If anything, some of the pro-ALPA folks here have made me glad UPS is independent.

I'd be careful about calling PCL128, "Todd". The day may come where he may wish his real name wasn't used on the internet....
 
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