Skybus on front page of Chicago Tribune

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When is your vote?

are you worried about the resignation of the initial CEO and that Skybus isn't making a profit? that the "benefits" you agreed to, being stock options and/or profit sharing will never be seen? i mean.. $10 tickets doesn't even pay *your* salary.
 
All things considered: we don't know what will happen. I give the company a 50/50 chance of success. Remember, the 10$ seats are the first 10 people only. After that it is a sliding scale. I've seen it as high as $330 for last minute flight to the west coast.

Our vote is coming. The company just supplied our pilot roster to the NLRB. It takes some time to get the list sorted out with the cut off date, and those who will be able to vote.
 
I just think they're screwing you, man. It sounds like you had a lot of bad breaks, but you're getting shafted by your current company.

If my company sends me to the west coast, they will pay for the hotel and for my meals and make it a comfortable trip for me.

On the other hand, it sounds like they're asking you to work all day, and then get shipped back home like you're cattle.

It's not right, man. It's just not right.

All this, and you're saying the odds of the company surviving are 50/50? Man. You're putting up with a lot of crap for very little.
 
Well,

You are right, or we wouldn't be voting on a union now would we. As for me, I don't EVER bid on the west coast flights now. Skybus only has one west coast flight left. KCMH-KBUR, or KGSO-KBUR. The current gig works like this: 1) fly out, pax back 2) pax out, fly back 3) fly out in the A.M., eat/sleep for 8 hrs, fly back that night 4) fly out in P.M over night and fly back that A.M.

The schedule keep changing as they don't have enough pilots, but its always one of those combos. I have done all of them, and I can tell you the fly/pax combo is the worst. 1/2 credit only for deadhead.

Now you have to remember that NONE of these work rules were known to the pilots until we hit the line. It was all secret. I can tell you that some of our ex DELTA, TWA pilots will not let this slide. It's just how it is until we can do something about it----like our VOTE!
 
That expresses my sentiments exactly. No Skybus pilot is worth my time, that's for sure.

Real mature. I'm disappointed you helped us out at Pinnacle. I like real union leaders, not people that still act like they're in grade school. Who we've got now are some of the best reps I've ever met and they'd never say or put up with crap like this.:banghead:
 
Hate to disappoint you, but just about every single one of your current reps would say the same thing.

Has skybuspilot crossed a picket line? If he has, that's one thing, otherwise he has the right to work wherever he wants. To treat him like crap because he wanted to get on with a 121 op, no matter what it is, is just wrong. I had no clue about 9E until I showed up and started hearing both sides of the story. There is no way I would have had time to sit there and research them and other companies because I was doing 13+ hour days on salary at my old job. Just because skybus treats their employees like crap doesn't give you the right to belittle them. How does that get people to want to join a union. I think I've mentioned this before, but I wasn't too fond of the UFCW union as a bag boy at a grocery store - I could tell they didn't give a crap about us but wanted us to pay union dues or force the store to not schedule us. I love paying dues that gets me nothing when I'm only making 6.75$/hr. One nice thing about ALPA is that it charges a percentage of your pay and not a fixed rate so that it doesn't hurt so bad at 1st year pay.
 
Real mature. I'm disappointed you helped us out at Pinnacle. I like real union leaders, not people that still act like they're in grade school. Who we've got now are some of the best reps I've ever met and they'd never say or put up with crap like this.:banghead:

Hate to disappoint you, but just about every single one of your current reps would say the same thing.

Has skybuspilot crossed a picket line? If he has, that's one thing, otherwise he has the right to work wherever he wants. To treat him like crap because he wanted to get on with a 121 op, no matter what it is, is just wrong. I had no clue about 9E until I showed up and started hearing both sides of the story. There is no way I would have had time to sit there and research them and other companies because I was doing 13+ hour days on salary at my old job. Just because skybus treats their employees like crap doesn't give you the right to belittle them. How does that get people to want to join a union. I think I've mentioned this before, but I wasn't too fond of the UFCW union as a bag boy at a grocery store - I could tell they didn't give a crap about us but wanted us to pay union dues or force the store to not schedule us. I love paying dues that gets me nothing when I'm only making 6.75$/hr. One nice thing about ALPA is that it charges a percentage of your pay and not a fixed rate so that it doesn't hurt so bad at 1st year pay.

Just a friendly reminder that the majority of users really don't care if two people don't get along. If you have something to add to the thread about skybus, then by all means do. If all you are going to do is carry on back and forth, take it to the PM function. The admin/mod's thank you as will the rest of the users.
 
Since I've already been crowned queen of thread locking, keep it civil or I'll live up to my name.
 
Has skybuspilot crossed a picket line?

No, which is exactly why I haven't called him a SCAB. He's almost as bad, though.

If he has, that's one thing, otherwise he has the right to work wherever he wants.

No one is arguing that he doesn't have a right to work wherever he wants. But just as he has a right to work there, I have a right to think whatever I want about his actions and how they negatively affect this profession.

Just because skybus treats their employees like crap doesn't give you the right to belittle them.

He knew the pay when he took the job. He's in the left seat of an Airbus now making less than I was making as a 50-seat RJ Captain at Pinnacle. He makes less than 2nd year FOs at just about every major, including the one I currently work for. It's a disgrace, and it's extremely damaging to this profession. You may want to give him a free pass, and that's your prerogative, but many of us won't do the same.
 
Since I've already been crowned queen of thread locking, keep it civil or I'll live up to my name.

Nah, I can do it! Lemme do it! I've got to get my 'user be good' stick currency back!
 
PCL_128,

You have your way of thinking, and I have mine. For the record: I have never crossed a picket line and never will. You and I are in the same profession, but our companies are not. They are in the business of making money, and putting others out of business. Ever hear of Wal-Mart? They destroyed thousands of people's small mom & pop stores. We seem to forget that capitlism has a very dark side.

I wanted to work for a 121 carrier. Thats it. We have many pilots here that used to work for DELTA, TWA/AA, and others. We are trying to make the company a better place to work for the future. One pilot has already been forced to resign before being fired over BS! I am in the trenches, and in the fight for this place. Any problem you have with that is JUST THAT: your problem.
 
Real mature. I'm disappointed you helped us out at Pinnacle. I like real union leaders, not people that still act like they're in grade school. Who we've got now are some of the best reps I've ever met and they'd never say or put up with crap like this.:banghead:

I do have to agree with PCL, though. The MEC and just about the rest of the reps would agree with him when it comes to Skybus. Wanna know why we can't get decent pay rates? 'Cause management can easily say "Why should we pay you that on a 50 seat jet? There are guys lined up around the block to fly an AIRBUS for less."

Now, if Skybus gets a union voted in, fantastic. But I bet management would fold the company before getting good pay rates. Decent pay rates don't fit the business model for the airline.
 
Ever hear of Wal-Mart? They destroyed thousands of people's small mom & pop stores. We seem to forget that capitlism has a very dark side.

Which is exactly why I refuse to shop at WalMart. Haven't even been in one of their stores in years.

I wanted to work for a 121 carrier. Thats it.

Lots of legitimate 121 carriers are hiring. The unionized regionals will take anyone with a pulse, and you can upgrade in no time at places like Pinnacle and Compass, and you'd be making more in an RJ than you are making in an Airbus now!!! "Wanting to work for a 121 carrier" doesn't excuse you from deciding to go to Skybus.

Any problem you have with that is JUST THAT: your problem.

Exactly. You are my problem. You are the problem of all legitimate professionals in this industry. You are the reason that we can't bring up wages, work rules, and retirement. So don't expect us to treat you as we would a fellow professional. You aren't one.
 
Velo should like this. From a recent United MEC email:

Captain Spadea (Jumpseat Chairman) also has been receiving reports from Captains that Virgin America and Skybus Airlines have been attempting to ride on our jumpseats. At present, United Airlines DOES NOT have a reciprocal agreement with these carriers, and they are not allowed to occupy a cabin or flight deck jumpseat.
 
Well, I can see this is going to take a while. So here we go...

1) The WATER thing! It just seemed a slap in the face. The pilots and F/A's are giving 100% of their lives for this place.

And getting very little in return. They work for minimum wage and you work for LESS than a Regional RJ driver makes. 50% less in some case. And you're operating an airplane TWICE as big.

For now, it is what it is.

Because you allow yourself to be abused. In fact, you volunteered for it.

2) Pay. O.K., I and others knew that when we started. Did we know the work rules? NO. They did not invent them until after we were on the line. Also, profit sharing, and stock options are the big players here. So I can't complain too much. It's the pay now, or the big pay-off later question. Only time can tell. The big problem is the First Officers. All of them have only a limited amount of time they can stay at 30K/year. After that, they have to eat, make car payments, and live.

THE PAY IN CERTAINLY NOT OK! You're undercutting an entire industry, don't you understand that? Every day you show up for work, you're stabbing the rest of us in the back, even the regional guys. How long do you think it will be before the Regionals want to cut their pay. The majors look at guys like you who will work for anything and it becomes their goal to match your wage/benefit scale.

And considering your shabby outfit is losing money, how's that profit sharing check working out? And your second year pay raise?

3) How did I come to Skybus? I had been trying for YEARS and one day Skybus called...I live down the road from Columbus, can drive to work, and only have 2 to 3 over-nights per month. How could I not take it if offered, and I make it thru the training? Hell, I did not even want to be captain this fast. It just happened.

Yeah, its a good thing some lowball, scumbag outfit offered you a job. I wonder how your passengers feel about flying with a Captain who feels he doesn't have the experience or qualifications to fly them? Or didn't want the job so soon. Do you even get how ludicrous you sound, especially to those of us whose livelihoods are threatened by penny ante outfits like yours? Hope your proud of the contribution you're making to the degradation of the piloting profession. Because, Son, you're leading the way.

Now you have to remember that NONE of these work rules were known to the pilots until we hit the line. It was all secret. I can tell you that some of our ex DELTA, TWA pilots will not let this slide. It's just how it is until we can do something about it----like our VOTE!

So, again, you accepted employment with a Company that had no work rules? What did you expect from an non-Union outfit that paid 1/3rd the average for narrowbody Captains? Trip rigs? You took a job with a Company after having obviously done ZERO research. That's lack of due diligence, my friend. You deserve all the crap they can feed you. Bon apetit!

he has the right to work wherever he wants. To treat him like crap because he wanted to get on with a 121 op, no matter what it is, is just wrong.

And like Gojet pilots he deserves all the disdain Union pilots can heap upon him.

Just because skybus treats their employees like crap doesn't give you the right to belittle them.

Sure it does. Especially when they are setting a new low standard for narrowbody airline pay/benefits. You can bet that other airline managers are salivating at the thought of matching Skybust rates on their properties. And there is only one group of people to blame. All the forest rangers who volunteered because they "wanted to get into the 121 world so bad."

Ever hear of Wal-Mart? They destroyed thousands of people's small mom & pop stores. We seem to forget that capitlism has a very dark side.

My God! Listen to yourself, man. WalMart couldn't survive without bargain basement labor. And YOU are the bargain basement labor of the airline industry. Why? Who knows? But, in the future when you're asking yourself where all the $200 an hour passenger airline jobs went, look in the mirror. <deleted>

I wanted to work for a 121 carrier. Thats it. We have many pilots here that used to work for DELTA, TWA/AA, and others.

Let me guess. The DAL guys are all early retirees who took a huge retirement lump sum payout. Their Skybus money is their beer/stripper money. And the TWA/AA guys are all furloughed and will take just about any job because they're too lazy to change careers.

And then there's you. You'll take anything that will get you a 121 job and a type rating regardless of what effect it has on the rest of an entire profession.

I pity you. It must be horrible to live a life without a moral compass.
 
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