SkyWest Pay Proposal Out
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zmiller4
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Does that mean you voted yes?
I'm looking at the .32% increase for this year....I guess they noticed that their 2nd year fo pay was already close to the highest out there, so they hoped none of us would care. I voted no anyway.
I like the guy I voted for VP, but I've got respect for both of them.
mrivc211
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Does that mean you voted yes?
I'm looking at the .32% increase for this year....I guess they noticed that their 2nd year fo pay was already close to the highest out there, so they hoped none of us would care. I voted no anyway.
I like the guy I voted for VP, but I've got respect for both of them.
When time came for 1st and 2nd year FO's to vote in ALPA, guess what they did? Not saying you were one of them Zach. They voted NO. They only cared about themselves. NO ONE ELSE.
Well, if they don't get a pay raise......tough. They dug their own grave.
This companies mgmt team isn't the best in the regional business for nothing. The majority of this pilot group has been hired in the last 1 to 2 years. They gave the smallest increase to that group for that reason. It would have cost them more.
1000 pilots making $3 more per hour
or
2-300 making $3 more per hour.
The first and second year guys took the hit. Welcome to SKYW.
Besides, do you know anyone that would say no to a 14.9% pay increase?
Chris_Ford
Well-Known Member
So they only cared about themselves, and now you're only caring about yourself... Interesting logic.
Someone who realizes that it's an insult of a pay package when you look at the whole deal.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Actually, ALPA's studies have shown that ExpressJet is the highest paying regional job. The last study I saw was before the ASA agreement, though, so that might have come close also.
Nick
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I met an XJT FO who surpassed the $63,000 mark.
With how many days off? THAT'S the important part.
I know guys back in the old days, with premium flying (on days off, assignments, extra flying, etc) that made enormous amounts of money by making themselves available. But when you saw their schedule, it looked little total bloodlust anarchy.
Nick
Well-Known Member
He was quite senior and got his trips bought a lot without being reassigned, then picked up 150% pay trips on top of them for a total of 250% pay or about $85 an hour for ERJ FO. The guy has a two-leg commute from a city in Michigan to the west coast so he typically wanted at least 12 days off a month so the commute wouldn't take him down much lower than 9 net days off.
Then there are the ones you're talking about, though. I know someone at the carrier this thread is about who bragged about getting 150 credit hours one month and when asked how many days off he had, answered with "four." That's half of what Mesa reserve pilots get.
Of course an ALPA study shows an ALPA carrier being the highest paying regional. It must be true... rrrriiiiiight. Funny how you think that is fact, but another group putting another twist on the same numbers comes up with a different highest paid regional... and if it doesn't say "ALPA" on it you dismiss it as spin.
PCL.... STOP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID!! It is ok. ALPA is not a flawless organization by any means. Nobody is going to come break your knee caps if you don't agree with everything ALPA blurps out.
I hope the Pinnacle pilots fight for a better contract. I will watch them in the next couple of months with interest.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
You don't know a thing about what you're discussing. ALPA's Economics & Financial Analysis department doesn't produce propaganda. That's what the Communications department is for. E & FA is there to provide real data to negotiating committees and MECs so they can make comparisons for their own negotiations. The study that I saw wasn't released publicly. It was only for internal use, so publishing false data in such a study wouldn't serve the kind of "kool-aid" purpose that you're alleging. Also, ALPA's E & FA department is so well respected in the industry that even company management will hire them to do financial analysis. The numbers are factual.
Nick
Well-Known Member
CAVOK, at least a study has infinitely more substance to it than this post:
This type of argument is won by proving things with numbers, not hunches.
If you really want to know who the highest paid regional is, a large organization supposedly did some research and came up with an answer.
In order to refute that with any credibility whatsoever, you will have to show something in form of facts instead of commanding someone who is involved with ALPA to stop drinking kool-aid.
This type of argument is won by proving things with numbers, not hunches.
If you really want to know who the highest paid regional is, a large organization supposedly did some research and came up with an answer.
In order to refute that with any credibility whatsoever, you will have to show something in form of facts instead of commanding someone who is involved with ALPA to stop drinking kool-aid.
I'm at least going to give Chris kudos as one of the very few people that uses his real name on every post. Not much hiding of that sort going on.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
I honestly don't know how you do it PCL.
I've given up trying to explain this whole bit to anyone who will not hesitate to essentially call a professional association that protects your (our) interests as nearly the anti-Christ.
I'm just amazed, at two things.
One, that people can be this ignorant.
Two, that you have the patience to continue to fight the good fight against the ignorant ones.
Chris_Ford
Well-Known Member
3. Next question?
I've met Doug before... Max, Mav, Ian J, Seatclutcher.
I have enough balls thank you very much. More than your spineless pilot group has. I have lost all respect for it recently. I really used to like you guys, even after the ALPA failure. But with the way everyone has been gung ho about this INSULT of a pay package just makes me feel nothing but shame. It seems your group prides themselves on being management's pawns. I'm not blaming you particularly, Omar. It's the collective. I know you have good intentions (though voting in the pay rates seems a little selfish, IMO), but your group has no desire to "raise the bar". Sucks for those who do.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Sometimes what's so frustrating isn't that people are merely ignorant, it's that they choose to be so. So much information is out there, but countless pilots would rather engage in an anti-ALPA circle-jerk rather than learn how things really are. You should try spending a few days in DEN or SLC talking to Skywest pilots about this stuff. Some of the anti-union comments that I used to hear from these guys practically made my head explode. :banghead:
You give me way too much credit. I've been doing union work for much shorter a time span than many ALPA leaders. Think of guys like Paul Rice (ALPA First VP). He's basically had no life outside of union work for more than a decade. Ignorant pilots from his own airline attack him, but he still keeps going. Now that takes patience.
Heros.... every one of them. You guys are out fighting the good fight. Blaming guys like me for the industry being how ALPA has made it. Talk about ignorance. Look in the friggin' mirror.
I hope the heros in ALPA go and get back what they gave up years ago. Along with thier dignity and respect. They have a chance to really do that in the next couple of years, and I honestly want it to happen. As pilots, we NEED the industry to turn around. The latest talk about United's TA is a step in the right direction.
I wonder if Rice can look at the state of the industry and ALPA in general and be happy with the way he has devoted his life. ALPA has to be there to take credit for the crap we are dealing with now if they want to take credit for the good, short lived victories that are so few and far between.
Funny... ALPA has been the largest representation of airline pilots over the last few decades.
The profession of being an airline pilot has steadily declined and is probably seeing its lowest point in those respective decades. Pay, QOL, company profits, work rules... in the last 5 years have bordered the lowest of the low. ALPA has been the largest collective pilot group during that decline and they were at the helm as it went down, unable to stop it. So don't try to sway me with b.s. and "he so ignorant" talk.
Who had a huge part in that decline? Oh... I know. That 22 year old kid that is trying to get a job out of school and has only been flying for 3 years. It must be his fault he will only make $22 an hour when he gets hired!!
Heaven forbid it be the union that has negotiated for pilots during that time. No, no... couldn't be that obvious. ALPA has the man power and enough brainwashed pilots to find another scapegoat... come on... who is it going to be? It can't be ALPA... maybe SkyWest?... sure can't be ALPA... Colgan? Southwest? Skybus? Teamsters? Hmmmm... Bush? But NOT ALPA. Prove to us that ALPA can bring back and IMPROVE ON from the state they have watched the industry fall to, what they claim to be able to protect pilots from. ALPA can't take credit for good and blame others for bad... it is a double standard they love to use.
Don't preach to me about ignorance.
I hope the heros in ALPA go and get back what they gave up years ago. Along with thier dignity and respect. They have a chance to really do that in the next couple of years, and I honestly want it to happen. As pilots, we NEED the industry to turn around. The latest talk about United's TA is a step in the right direction.
I wonder if Rice can look at the state of the industry and ALPA in general and be happy with the way he has devoted his life. ALPA has to be there to take credit for the crap we are dealing with now if they want to take credit for the good, short lived victories that are so few and far between.
Funny... ALPA has been the largest representation of airline pilots over the last few decades.
The profession of being an airline pilot has steadily declined and is probably seeing its lowest point in those respective decades. Pay, QOL, company profits, work rules... in the last 5 years have bordered the lowest of the low. ALPA has been the largest collective pilot group during that decline and they were at the helm as it went down, unable to stop it. So don't try to sway me with b.s. and "he so ignorant" talk.
Who had a huge part in that decline? Oh... I know. That 22 year old kid that is trying to get a job out of school and has only been flying for 3 years. It must be his fault he will only make $22 an hour when he gets hired!!
Heaven forbid it be the union that has negotiated for pilots during that time. No, no... couldn't be that obvious. ALPA has the man power and enough brainwashed pilots to find another scapegoat... come on... who is it going to be? It can't be ALPA... maybe SkyWest?... sure can't be ALPA... Colgan? Southwest? Skybus? Teamsters? Hmmmm... Bush? But NOT ALPA. Prove to us that ALPA can bring back and IMPROVE ON from the state they have watched the industry fall to, what they claim to be able to protect pilots from. ALPA can't take credit for good and blame others for bad... it is a double standard they love to use.
Don't preach to me about ignorance.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
So CAVOK,
What are YOU doing to help the pay rates? Having captains fly 86 seat jets for less than my captains are paid to fly 50 seaters? You're not doing anything to help the industry, and you have no vehicle to do so.
ALPA is that vehicle, any union can be. Unlike you, I have a voice in my company's future and being that I'm not a lemming, I appreciate the fact that I have a voice.
What are YOU doing to help the pay rates? Having captains fly 86 seat jets for less than my captains are paid to fly 50 seaters? You're not doing anything to help the industry, and you have no vehicle to do so.
ALPA is that vehicle, any union can be. Unlike you, I have a voice in my company's future and being that I'm not a lemming, I appreciate the fact that I have a voice.