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Butt, if you're clueless enough to believe that the pilots at Skybus and Virgin America aren't harming the profession by accepting employment for a fraction of what the rest of us make, then there's no helping you. Time to wake up to reality and accept that what happens at one carrier affects every other carrier.

I'm never said they aren't hurting the industry. I'm saying they are not hurting the industry enough to justify this jihad you all have against the company's employees.

If you don't like the way they operate, then don't work there. Don't recommend others work there. But thats as far as it needs to go. Refusing jumpseats, treating other people rudely, genuine hate... thats taking it way too far.
 
But thats as far as it needs to go. Refusing jumpseats, treating other people rudely, genuine hate... thats taking it way too far.

Ah, but there's where you're making assumptions, BUTT. Just because I won't extend them a free ride doesn't mean I treat them rudely. I just say, "Sorry, I don't extend Union negotiated privileges to non-union pilots."

And, of course, once again, you have taken the classic road of scoundrels...accusing someone who you disagree with of "hate". You really need a job at the ACLU.

Its not "hate". Its exercising my authority as Captain. If you opt to undercut my contract, you shouldn't ask or expect me to grant you favors. That's all. No hate involved.
 
Some of us have what it takes to look these slimeballs in the face and say no way.

pilots everywhere will treat you like dog<poop>.

Sounds like hate to me. Coupled with the fact that just about every single post you make on these forums has something to do with these "proto-scabs" you speak of.

If not hate, call it really misguided dislike.
 
Sounds like hate to me.

You sure like your labels, don't you BUTT?

Coupled with the fact that just about every single post you make on these forums has something to do with these "proto-scabs" you speak of.

Perhaps it has to do with taking a 25% paycut because a bunch of jerks decided its in their best interest to go to work for a non-union carrier and undercut my contract. Maybe you should call up a couple United retirees and ask them how they liked losing 50-75% of their pensions because the protoscabs decided to work for no defined benefit plan.

Other airlines have to compete with the likes of jetBlue, Virgin and Skybus. Like it or not, acknowledge it or not, these scumbag airlines put incredible downward pressure on Union wage/benefit scales. And every pilot who takes a job there aids and abets that pressure.

If not hate, call it really misguided dislike.

Again with the labels. I guess you don't have any response to the above argument except to label me a hate-spewing Nazi. You should look into a Critical Thinking class at the local Junior College. If you can get in...
 
Perhaps it has to do with taking a 25% paycut because a bunch of jerks decided its in their best interest to go to work for a non-union carrier and undercut my contract. Maybe you should call up a couple United retirees and ask them how they liked losing 50-75% of their pensions because the protoscabs decided to work for no defined benefit plan.

So you are blaming your misfortunes and the misfortunes of others on the pilots who work for GoJets and the like? I have yet to hear how pilots taking a lower paying job has directly effected another airline's pay enough to justify the claim that "GoJet, Virgin, and jetBlue pilots are responsible for my buddy's 25% paycut" that you seem to throw out every time you press the "post" button.

Other airlines have to compete with the likes of jetBlue, Virgin and Skybus. Like it or not, acknowledge it or not, these scumbag airlines put incredible downward pressure on Union wage/benefit scales. And every pilot who takes a job there aids and abets that pressure.

OK great they put downward pressure on wages. What doesn't these days? Is it really great enough to be embarking on this crusade you seem to be on?

If you can get in...

Nope, not hateful at all!
 
With all this bickering going on I can't stop thinking to myself why a person would want to work for a company then have to pay a group of people to fight the company I work for so I could feel like I am protected. To me pilots are no more special than a say a person that works at a power plant. You get paid a wage and go home at the end of the day. Wages are what they are. When I look for a job I find one that pays the salary that I want with the least amount of hassle. If someone wants to work for Virgin or Jetblue or whoever then thats their business. If you feel like you're getting a raw deal out of it from the people you work for maybe its time to step back and take a look at where you work. Then again I fly 135...
 
Bath,

You really need to drop the Republican Kool-Aid pitcher and pick up a copy of Flying the Line and Flying the Line 2.

Any pilot who doesn't believe there is a real need for a Union and won't admit they're nothing more than blue collar labor doesn't know an iota of aviation history. And those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it.

And, BUTT, that Critical Thinking class meets on Tuesday and Thursday at 6 pm. You need it bad!

I've posted the logic about a hundred times before, but JUST FOR YOU, BUTT, I'll give it one more try...attempt to pay attention, please.

7 years ago, jetBlue opened their doors. They hired non-union pilots at 30% less than A320 rates at their competitiors. They had no defined benefit contribution plan. Since they undercut Union contracts and had lower labor costs, they were able to sell cheaper seats and still make huge profits.

Since they were the "hometown" airline in NYC, the LARGEST media and financial market in the free world, their success got LOTS of positive publicity. They were the media darlings. The protoscabs that originally went to work there got lots of stock options. The IPO went to $70 a share. Hopefully, the orginal protoscabs sold then, because after the intial split, the price has been in a downward spiral ever since. But, I digress.

Along came 9/11. Two of the major Unionized carriers used either the threat of bankruptcy or the actual bankruptcy court to exact concessions from their pilots. USAir guys saw their wages drop to jetBlue rates and their pension go Bye-Bye. UAL pilots were gutted by the bankruptcy court judge and had jetBlue rates imposed on them. Likewise, they saw their pension fly away.

Why? Because the airline managers saw jetBlue's early success. That success was fueled by favorable lease rates and extremely favorable labor costs. Since they are non-Union, the Company can basicly impose any pay rate and work rule they want. Additionally, jetBlue came up with the ingenious wrinkle of the 5 year personal service contract. So, if you're identified as someone who is supporting unionization, you may not be offered a contract extension at the end of 5 years.

The other beauty of the jetBlue system (from a management standpoint) is that you can selectively reduce your labor costs as the group matures by replacing higher scale pilots with new hires and upgrade junior pilots who get paid less.

So where have industry pay rates gone since the advent of jetBlue? Narrowbody Captains at UAL and USAir make about $130. That's down from over $200. Delta MD Captains make $140. Also down from over $200. Alaska Captains make $155, down from $195. And it doesn't stop at the narrowbodies. Widebody Captains make $180, down from $250-$280.

So you tell me who is to blame? Management? They're just taking what they can. Aided by the bankruptcy court, the threat of bankruptcy and 9/11, they are just paying what the market rate is. And its demonstrated by the fact that jetBlue can get pilots to willingly undercut Union rates.

Understand the linkage, yet, BUTT?
 
How about Skywest, Colgan, Airnet, and Allegiant?
Are these guys allowed to jumpseat? None will be able to produce an ALPA card?
 
I just say, "Sorry, I don't extend Union negotiated privileges to non-union pilots."

I hate to get in the middle of this p!$$ing contest, but I have a question. And Mr. Pede, this is strictly a request for information so please do not take it out of context.

The above comment caught my attention. I've heard and read many times that the privilege to jump seat is due to union efforts, however have been unable to find any literature on the subject. Where can I read more about the history of this and other important union-negotiated benefits?

Thanks.
 
The most recent case is Delta. For years, Delta pilots were not allowed access to Delta jumpseats, much less offer the privilege to offline pilots. They finally were granted access for themselves and offliners after they gave work rule concessions to Delta. That was '95 or '96.

For more detailed information, you would have to consult individual airline Union contracts. Each and every one has a section about jumpseating. That didn't get there by magic. Every line item in a Union contract is bought and paid for by giving management something they want. Or acquired by "self-help", the pretty word for striking.
 
How about Skywest, Colgan, Airnet, and Allegiant?
Are these guys allowed to jumpseat? None will be able to produce an ALPA card?

Well, I always compare apples to apples. Regional guys are oranges. I hadn't really considered Allegiant, but you may have a point. I'll add them to my list.
 
Being new to the industry, the only development in jump-seating that I'm really aware of is the implementation of CASS. Thanks for the info.
 
CASS was instituted by the TSA to allow CSAs to positively ID offline jumpseaters. It is an IDENTIFICATION program, not an AUTHORIZATION program.

Similarly, reciprocal agreements are ELIGIBILITY agreements, not AUTHORIZATION agreements.

Authorization for issuing the jumpseat is at the sole discretion of the Captain. That goes for both online and offline jumpseaters. For instance, if there was an Eastern scab working at your company, you are under no compulsion to grant him a jumpseat.

We used to have a Captain (now retired) who would not allow Company pilots on the jumpseat. His rationale? "I don't ask for them, I don't give them." Now, you could say he was a dork, but he was well within his perogatives as Captain. The time I asked him and got turned down, all I could do was thank him and look for another flight.
 
Personally, I don't agree that denying UNION NEGOTIATED privileges (jumpseats) to non-Union pilots who are undercutting UNION contracts qualifies as a "political agenda". It does qualify as DEFENDING THE PROFESSION.

Well put. QoL and pay may never return to how things were 'in the good ole days,' but we can recover somewhat if more pilots take this attitude, no matter how it sounds to you. I admit, at first I had a hard time understanding the need for taking such a hard line, but the more you think about it, the more you realize that this is the only way to truly give unions the power that they need in today's anti-labor atmosphere.
 
And Section 115 of the ALPA admin manual (Jumpseats) lists all kinds of caveats that reinforce the Captain's SOLE authority over the jumpseat, including UNION MEMBERSHIP.
Apparently that document does not contain the above. In fact they have a paragraph on "punishing" other pilot groups and how it is not supported by ALPA. Further they only support denial of the jumpseat if there is an associated safety concern.

Your comments and your policy are that of you and your cockpit and is not the policy of ALPA or any other union.
 
Wages are what they are.

This shows an extreme lack of awareness, it is kind of mind boggling to me. Do you ever wonder why work rules are what they are? Safety rules are what they are? Medical benefits? Vacation and sick time? I can't imagine going through life with such an attitude. Wages don't just "happen." Neither do any of those other little things, you know, that make the life of a worker survivable. Unions brought the world out of the Industrial Revolution's dark ages. You should pick up a book. Start with "Flying the Line," the history of pilot unions, and if you are still curious try reading about the robber barons of the 1890s. Maybe then you won't take so much granted. Or just keep your head in the sand.
 
7 years ago, jetBlue opened their doors. They hired non-union pilots at 30% less than A320 rates at their competitiors. They had no defined benefit contribution plan. Since they undercut Union contracts and had lower labor costs, they were able to sell cheaper seats and still make huge profits.

So? How is this a bad thing? Those pilots took a job that pays less than others. How is that such a bad thing?

Since they were the "hometown" airline in NYC, the LARGEST media and financial market in the free world, their success got LOTS of positive publicity. They were the media darlings.

So? They figured out a way to provide a service to the public at a lower cost than the competitors. Thats what companies do. How is this such a bad thing?

The protoscabs

Now you've lost me. Taking a job that pays less than another job makes you a protoscab?

that originally went to work there got lots of stock options. The IPO went to $70 a share. Hopefully, the orginal protoscabs sold then, because after the intial split, the price has been in a downward spiral ever since. But, I digress.

What? It's wrong to get stock options?

Along came 9/11. Two of the major Unionized carriers used either the threat of bankruptcy or the actual bankruptcy court to exact concessions from their pilots. USAir guys saw their wages drop to jetBlue rates and their pension go Bye-Bye. UAL pilots were gutted by the bankruptcy court judge and had jetBlue rates imposed on them. Likewise, they saw their pension fly away.

It seems to me the real villain here is the "Unionized carriers that used the threat of bankruptcy to extract concessions from their pilots" How is it jetBlue's fault that USAir lowered their wages?

You seem to be under the impression that one company lowering their wages somehow magically opens a door for another company to lower their wages as well. There are some flight schools that pay instructors $25 an hour, and some that pay $10 an hour. If your assumption were right, every single flight school would be paying $10 an hour because other school "demonstrated" instructors will work for $10 an hour. The world doesn't work that way.

Why? Because the airline managers saw jetBlue's early success. That success was fueled by favorable lease rates and extremely favorable labor costs. Since they are non-Union, the Company can basicly impose any pay rate and work rule they want.

Thats how companies make money. By not having a unions constantly breathe down their backs.

Additionally, jetBlue came up with the ingenious wrinkle of the 5 year personal service contract. So, if you're identified as someone who is supporting unionization, you may not be offered a contract extension at the end of 5 years.

Because they know unionizing would mess up their profits. If the pilots were willing to work for them under the advertised compensation plan, then why need a union?

The other beauty of the jetBlue system (from a management standpoint) is that you can selectively reduce your labor costs as the group matures by replacing higher scale pilots with new hires and upgrade junior pilots who get paid less.

If the pilots who work for them are all right with this, then whats the problem? Are you afraid that if jetBlue does it, all the other union carriers will follow suit?

So where have industry pay rates gone since the advent of jetBlue? Narrowbody Captains at UAL and USAir make about $130. That's down from over $200. Delta MD Captains make $140. Also down from over $200. Alaska Captains make $155, down from $195. And it doesn't stop at the narrowbodies. Widebody Captains make $180, down from $250-$280.

And thats all jetBlue's fault right? 9/11 had nothing to do with it, nor did the economy, right?...

So you tell me who is to blame? Management? They're just taking what they can. Aided by the bankruptcy court, the threat of bankruptcy and 9/11, they are just paying what the market rate is. And its demonstrated by the fact that jetBlue can get pilots to willingly undercut Union rates.

Market rate? How can one company paying low wages define what the market rate is?
 
This shows an extreme lack of awareness, it is kind of mind boggling to me. Do you ever wonder why work rules are what they are? Safety rules are what they are? Medical benefits? Vacation and sick time? I can't imagine going through life with such an attitude. Wages don't just "happen." Neither do any of those other little things, you know, that make the life of a worker survivable. Unions brought the world out of the Industrial Revolution's dark ages. You should pick up a book. Start with "Flying the Line," the history of pilot unions, and if you are still curious try reading about the robber barons of the 1890s. Maybe then you won't take so much granted. Or just keep your head in the sand.


All I'm sayin is why don't people in the 135 world need Unions? I know there are some out there that are organized but that is few and far between.
 
"In fact they have a paragraph on "punishing" other pilot groups and how it is not supported by ALPA. Further they only support denial of the jumpseat if there is an associated safety concern"

Really? It's says that? Wish I could read section 115 of the uniform ALPA code.
 
Butt, if you're clueless enough to believe that the pilots at Skybus and Virgin America aren't harming the profession by accepting employment for a fraction of what the rest of us make, then there's no helping you. Time to wake up to reality and accept that what happens at one carrier affects every other carrier.

What the #### are you talking about? Every pilot at every legacy carrier that voted for a concessionary contract is more responsible for "harming the profession" than a handful of pilots at a couple of LCC start-ups. If a 10,000 member strong union couldn't prevent 40 and 50 percent pay cuts, how in hell are a couple of dozen pilots at a non-union start-up carrier supposed to hold the line?

What have YOU done recently to "raise the bar?" Oh that's right. You've got yours. Now you expect everyone else to stand tall, so you can stand on their shoulders in order to keep your head above water.
 
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