Me too.
I asked a prof. when I was in college about the above and he told me that denial of jumpseat should only be safety based according to ALPA.
I have never seen any of the uniform ALPA code as I believe it's not made available to the public.
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I asked a prof. when I was in college about the above and he told me that denial of jumpseat should only be safety based according to ALPA.
I have never seen any of the uniform ALPA code as I believe it's not made available to the public.
DenverPilot8
Well-Known Member
Butt,
I have been reading your exchange here and I don't really see why you are so intent on defending JetBlue or any other non-union airline. If you are a pilot yourself what is the reason that you wouldn't want someone to look out for YOUR intrests (union). Your right when you say that a company can offer whatever services at whatever cost they want. However what Velocipede is saying is that their restriction of a union not only surpresses their employees (pilots) into low wage jobs but it also effects the bottomline of all pilots in the industry. We all suffer the low wages as first year FO's and we move up the ranks after numerouse sacrifices. Pilots are worth a lot because no airline can function without them. Why would you want an airline like Jetblue lower your worth by undercutting all of your hard work? I mean Wal-Mart treats their employees like crap but people still work for them, Wal-Mart is cheaper than everyone else too but does that make them a good company? JetBlue and the others are setting the wrong precedent for everyone.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Lesson #1: Never, ever, under any set of circumstances, listen to what a professor has to say about ALPA.
From Section 115 of the ALPA Administrative Manual: Under the Captain's authority, entry to the flight deck will not be permitted for individuals with whom the Captain or his flight deck crew is not entirely comfortable
Seems pretty clear.
The Administrative Manual is available to all ALPA members on the ALPA Member's Portal on alpa.org.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
You guys can't possibly be this dense. If it wasn't for carriers like JetBlue, then those legacy pilots never would have been put in the position of having to vote on concessions under the threat of having their contracts void by a bankruptcy judge. Management saw the wages that the JetBlue pilots were making, and they set out on a mission to force those wages on their own pilots. With the help of anti-labor bankrutpcy laws, they were succesful.
Barking up the wrong tree, my friend. I just spent the last 5 years of my life doing nothing but constant ALPA work to defend this profession and "raise the bar." I spent months at a time away from home on the road doing ALPA business. That's what I've done. What have you done?
This is the one point that keeps getting made over and over and over again, but not a bit of evidence is presented to prove this claim.
Yes, theoretically if someone is offering a product at below market prices it can drive down prices, but has anyone proven that this is what causes union airlines' lowered wages? Has anyone ever actually proven that jetBlue has directly harmed the industry enough to start a jihad? In actuality there are probably dozens of other factors that lead up to those pay cuts. Blaming the non-union employees seems to be the easiest, so thats where most people reach for...
Like I said earlier, there are a lot of companies in various other industries that offer way lower wages, yet have no effect the industry wages on the whole.
Also, its funny that you brought up WalMart. I actually worked there for a summer a few years ago. It actually was my last job before starting my aviation career. Ever since working there I've heard people go on and on about how horrible the job is. I actually loved working there. It was the highest paying job I've had up to that point, the scheduling was great, it actually had benefits, the people were great, etc. Most of the people I worked with felt the same way. Its a perfect example of union-rabid people not having a clue of what they're talking about.
Velocipede
New Member
I think you need to read Secton 115 a little closer. It says use of the jumpseat for political purposes is NOT SUPPORTED. It does not say banned, prohibited or proscribed.
It also specifies that a Union Card may be used as identification.
Listen, Mike. Words mean things. The English language is a beautiful thing because you can say exactly what you mean. The reason ALPA uses the term "not supported" is so they do not dilute the Captain's authority to deny the jumpseat to anyone he deems unfit.
That verbage also lets ALPA National off the hook when an individual MEC, for example, determines the pilots of a competing airline should be denied the privilege.
Your PM indicates you should understand that.
Velocipede
New Member
Your professor was incorrect. PM me your email address and I'll send you a copy of Section 115.
And I do understand the above.
Personally I believe that if individual MECs don't agree with a certain airline then they shouldn't have an agreement with them. I think denying a pilot group by getting rid of an agreement or not establishing one in the first place is a more professional way of dealing with the matter. Denying someone at the last possible second because of a personal objection is wrong IN MY OPINION. Furthermore I believe that if agreements start getting pulled the drive to show these scabish pilots aren't respected in this industry will be stronger.
staplegun
Well-Known Member
Don't bother, here it is:
TABLE OF CONTENTS
PART 1 - JUMPSEAT POLICY 2
A. MEC Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee Chairperson 2
B. Duties and Responsibilities of Jumpseat Coordinators/Committee Chairpersons 2
C. Admission to Flight Deck 3
D. Cabin Seating 3
E. Security/Identification 3
F. Jumpseat Fraud and Abuse 4
G. Boarding Priority 4
H. Other Jumpseat Requests 4
I. National Jumpseat Registry 4
INDEX 5
PART 1 - JUMPSEAT POLICY
SOURCE - Executive Board October 1997; AMENDED - Board 2000
The following policy provides guidelines that may be used by Master Executive Councils in establishing jumpseat policies and procedures with their respective airlines.
ALPA encourages participation by other pilot unions and officials of non-represented airlines in the industry-wide Jumpseat Task Force.
ALPA encourages all pilots to extend the use of their jumpseats to eligible cockpit crewmembers as a professional courtesy and as a resource to enhance the safety of flight. The Captain is, and shall always be, the final authority as to admission to the flight deck.
Denial of jumpseat privileges as a means of punishing, coercing or retaliating against other pilot groups or individuals is not supported by ALPA. The Jumpseat and/or Professional Standards Representative appointed by the respective Master Executive Council or governing body should resolve disputes that arise between pilots, airlines or other unions.
Master Executive Councils should appoint a Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee Chairperson and authorize him/her to work with their Company in establishing and administering jumpseat policy and procedures.
A. MEC JUMPSEAT COORDINATOR/COMMITTEE CHAIRPERSON
1. Guidelines for selection of Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee Chairperson
a. Experience - must be knowledgeable of the applicable Federal Aviation Regulations, associated legal interpretations and specific company policies that affect jumpseat usage at their respective airline.
b. Appointment/Term of Office - per MEC policy.
2. Funding for MEC Jumpseat Coordinators/Committee Chairpersons
a. Necessary funding for the MEC Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee Chairperson should be arranged by the respective MEC. Funding considerations should include flight pay loss, as well as other related expenses, to adequately represent pilot issues.
B. DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF JUMPSEAT COORDINATORS/COMMITTEE CHAIRPERSONS
1. Establish appropriate communication with the MEC to insure proper administration and compliance with the respective airline's jumpseat program.
a. The Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee Chairperson should report directly to the MEC Chairperson or designated appointee. The Coordinator or Chairperson should be authorized to represent the MEC in dealings with Company Officers on jumpseat matters. Issues of a critical nature should immediately be addressed to the MEC Chairperson.
2. Maintain an accurate file of company and industry-wide jumpseat policy and procedures.
a. When changes occur, the MEC Jumpseat Coordinator or Committee Chairperson should communicate them to the ALPA National Jumpseat Committee Chairperson for appropriate dissemination. ALPA resources will be used to keep all members of the Jumpseat Task Force informed on specific airline policies and procedures.
b. Communicate company and industry-wide changes of jumpseat procedures and protocol to the pilot group and other affected company employees. Appropriate union and/or company media sources should be incorporated to accomplish this.
3. Address and resolve issues that may arise over jumpseat authority and usage in a timely manner. Reciprocal airline and other off-line matters should be discussed with the associated Jumpseat Coordinator. Discussions beyond ALPA represented carriers should include the ALPA National Jumpseat Chairperson.
4. Submit a Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee report at all regularly scheduled meetings of the MEC, or as otherwise directed.
C. ADMISSION TO FLIGHT DECK
1. Captains should be familiar with applicable Federal Air Regulations and their own Company policies concerning jumpseat use.
2. ALPA supports the Captain's authority to manage the flight deck environment and resources in a manner that enhances safety. Accordingly, ALPA supports the Captain's authority to exclude any person other than required crew from the flight deck if, in his opinion, that person's presence will compromise safety.
3. If a jumpseat rider is to remain on the flight deck, the Captain will ensure that he/she is properly briefed on safety, communication and evacuation procedures. This may be done verbally or by means of a printed aircraft specific briefing card.
4. ALPA and most airlines consider a pilot jumpseat rider as an additional crewmember. Pilot jumpseat riders must be prepared to exercise flight related tasks that the Captain may assign.
D. CABIN SEATING
1. In accordance with company policy, if a cabin seat(s) is available, the Captain may offer it to a jumpseat rider(s) to accommodate additional jumpseat requests. Appropriate procedures for such accommodations should be adopted and developed as Company policy.
2. As representatives of their airline and profession, jumpseat riders must conduct themselves in a manner that is above reproach at all times.
3. Although seated in the cabin, jumpseat riders may be asked to assist the cockpit or cabin crew in certain situations.
E. SECURITY/IDENTIFICATION
1. Without exception, security is paramount in all aspects of aviation safety. The Captain is responsible for ensuring that all jumpseat riders admitted to the flight deck have in their possession the proper documentation. For pilots, this shall include airmen's certification and valid company ID. Jumpseat riders should have this identification readily available for inspection.
2. Host Captains should recognize that a union membership card is another means of identity verification, although not all pilots of represented airlines are union members.
3. Under the Captain's authority, entry to the flight deck will not be permitted for individuals with whom the Captain or his flight deck crew is not entirely comfortable.
F. JUMPSEAT FRAUD AND ABUSE
1. A fraudulent jumpseat rider is an individual attempting to gain access to a flight deck by knowingly being deceptive. Counterfeit IDs, failure of medical certificate standards or dismissal by the presented employer constitute fraudulent representation.
2. An abuse of the jumpseat privilege includes, but is not limited to, individuals revenue positioning at company request for reasons other than commuting to or from work or on personal business.
G. BOARDING PRIORITY
1. It is understood that certain individuals, such as government or company officials in the performance of their duties, must be given free and unlimited access to the cockpit by FAR. Seniority, first-come, first-served or a reservation system may be used for company and off-line pilots.
2. Extending preferential boarding to specific carriers shall be reviewed and amended when determined appropriate by the Coordinator/Chairperson, the MEC and the Company.
3. Within boarding priority, most airlines accommodate off-line jumpseat riders on a first-come, first-served basis. Due consideration should be given to union affiliation. Any problems that arise should be quickly referred to the Captain for resolution.
4. Company boarding priority for other individuals shall be mutually developed by the Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee Chairperson, the airline management and the MEC.
H. OTHER JUMPSEAT REQUESTS
1. The FAA has an established procedure whereby air traffic controllers are allowed access to the cockpit for familiarization flights. ALPA supports these familiarization flights and encourages pilots to welcome controllers into their cockpits for this purpose. ATC personnel must have in their possession FAA Form 3120-28 Parts A&B, FAA Form 3120-31 and their FAA identification card/badge.
2. Foreign air carrier pilots, FAA licensed dispatchers and other individuals may be accommodated with authorization by the FAA and company flight management authorities.
I. NATIONAL JUMPSEAT REGISTRY
SOURCE - Board 2000; AMENDED - Executive Board May 2001
The ALPA Jumpseat Committee shall produce and maintain a National Jumpseat Registry. The airlines listed will abide by ALPA Jumpseat Policy and shall have appointed Jumpseat Coordinators to work with the ALPA sponsored Industry Jumpseat Task Force. The Registry will be disseminated within ALPA to Master Executive Councils and their appointed Jumpseat Coordinators to use as they see fit.
staplegun
Well-Known Member
For me this is the operative statement:
"The Captain is, and shall always be, the final authority as to admission to the flight deck."
Kevin
Correcto.
I'm tired and grumpy (I need a nap) after landing in Budapest.
Who wants some?
Everyone chill the hell out or beat it.
Aero_Engineer
Well-Known Member
Grab a galss of wine people and just calm down.
Everyone has their opinion and it is very well respected so instead of bashing each other and call each other names just try to learn.
The attitude you guys have is no way a learner's attitude. Remember that we are mostly student pilots here.
Everyone has their opinion and it is very well respected so instead of bashing each other and call each other names just try to learn.
The attitude you guys have is no way a learner's attitude. Remember that we are mostly student pilots here.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
I'm going to again suggest that you read Flying the Line 1 & 2!
Short of that let me explain the term "jacking up the house."
Airline A gets a "industry leading contract." Airline B is also in contract negotiations, seeing what Airline A got, airline B doesn't want to match airline A, but negotiate a better contract.
Because just like Jetblue having lower rates and management siting them as an example, airline B can say airline A just got this an that, we want +1.
Airline A getting a sueprior contract gives airline B some serious negotiating ability, to *possibly* land themselves a good contract.
To continue forward with my example airline B gets their contact completed they might not have everything airline A got, but it will either match or be better what airline A recieved.
Then when airline C's contact becomes ammendable, guess what they're going to want?
Likewise, managment can "lower the house" by using the same play book that unions use by siting examples of "why should we pay you this much, when airline D is flying the same equipment, and working for less, and flying more. Also, until rules are ammended airline management can use the RLA to stall out contract talks, thus preventing "self help", and freely use the courts via bankruptcy to gut union contracts, while themselves raking in millions in bonuses.
With the examples I have presented, it should be easily clear for you to read and understand how Jetblues rates, have affected other airline pilots groups, and become industry standard posy 9/11, in terms of salary, compensation and work rules.
DenverPilot8
Well-Known Member
Well let me ask you this then what evidence can YOU bring to the table that PROVES that Jetblue DOESN'T have an effect on the industry? Where is YOUR EVIDENCE! why do you think that when one carrier lowers their fares a lot of other carries do the same? if you think what one carrier does doesn't effect anybody else then you are wrong. This industry for better or for worse is very much intertwined with all of the airlines. It's a matter of logic dude. If passengers have a choice of paying a higher fare or a lower fare they will choose the lower fare. It's no different for management. If they had a choice of lower labor cost to higher ones which do you think they would choose???? It's so naive to think that this doesn't affect anyone.
Now that's great that you liked working at Wal-Mart but it is all relative to how much you were paid before you worked there. Whether or not you worked with great people there is irrelevant to this argument. It's a fact that Wal-Mart has some of the worst benefits compared to even its rivals.
Lastly you never answered the question of WHY you would defend them so much. Are you a pilot? if you are why would you want to be de-valued so much by an airline that puts pressure to lower your wage????? I don't get it...
DenverPilot8
Well-Known Member
Well I was reading up higher in the thread and I'd rather not be kicked off so ill shut it down. But really I'm just saying that pilots are worth a lot and should be treated so!!
Velocipede
New Member
Well, if you want to have a highlighting contest, I'm game. Black is yours. Red is mine showing the weakness of the "political" argument. You'll note that the words banned, prohibited, proscribed or other absolutes are missing...for a reason.
Blue are the "outs" ALPA gives Captains to allow us to determine who is and who is not fit to receive the privilege of the jumpseat. And always remember, it is a PRIVILEGE, not a RIGHT.
And away we go...
___________________________________________________________________
TABLE OF CONTENTS
PART 1 - JUMPSEAT POLICY 2
A. MEC Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee Chairperson 2
B. Duties and Responsibilities of Jumpseat Coordinators/Committee Chairpersons 2
C. Admission to Flight Deck 3
D. Cabin Seating 3
E. Security/Identification 3
F. Jumpseat Fraud and Abuse 4
G. Boarding Priority 4
H. Other Jumpseat Requests 4
I. National Jumpseat Registry 4
INDEX 5
PART 1 - JUMPSEAT POLICY
SOURCE - Executive Board October 1997; AMENDED - Board 2000
The following policy provides guidelines that may be used by Master Executive Councils in establishing jumpseat policies and procedures with their respective airlines.
ALPA encourages participation by other pilot unions and officials of non-represented airlines in the industry-wide Jumpseat Task Force.
ALPA encourages all pilots to extend the use of their jumpseats to eligible cockpit crewmembers as a professional courtesy and as a resource to enhance the safety of flight. The Captain is, and shall always be, the final authority as to admission to the flight deck.
Denial of jumpseat privileges as a means of punishing, coercing or retaliating against other pilot groups or individuals is not supported by ALPA. The Jumpseat and/or Professional Standards Representative appointed by the respective Master Executive Council or governing body should resolve disputes that arise between pilots, airlines or other unions.
Master Executive Councils should appoint a Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee Chairperson and authorize him/her to work with their Company in establishing and administering jumpseat policy and procedures.
A. MEC JUMPSEAT COORDINATOR/COMMITTEE CHAIRPERSON
1. Guidelines for selection of Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee Chairperson
a. Experience - must be knowledgeable of the applicable Federal Aviation Regulations, associated legal interpretations and specific company policies that affect jumpseat usage at their respective airline.
b. Appointment/Term of Office - per MEC policy.
2. Funding for MEC Jumpseat Coordinators/Committee Chairpersons
a. Necessary funding for the MEC Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee Chairperson should be arranged by the respective MEC. Funding considerations should include flight pay loss, as well as other related expenses, to adequately represent pilot issues.
B. DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF JUMPSEAT COORDINATORS/COMMITTEE CHAIRPERSONS
1. Establish appropriate communication with the MEC to insure proper administration and compliance with the respective airline's jumpseat program.
a. The Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee Chairperson should report directly to the MEC Chairperson or designated appointee. The Coordinator or Chairperson should be authorized to represent the MEC in dealings with Company Officers on jumpseat matters. Issues of a critical nature should immediately be addressed to the MEC Chairperson.
2. Maintain an accurate file of company and industry-wide jumpseat policy and procedures.
a. When changes occur, the MEC Jumpseat Coordinator or Committee Chairperson should communicate them to the ALPA National Jumpseat Committee Chairperson for appropriate dissemination. ALPA resources will be used to keep all members of the Jumpseat Task Force informed on specific airline policies and procedures.
b. Communicate company and industry-wide changes of jumpseat procedures and protocol to the pilot group and other affected company employees. Appropriate union and/or company media sources should be incorporated to accomplish this.
3. Address and resolve issues that may arise over jumpseat authority and usage in a timely manner. Reciprocal airline and other off-line matters should be discussed with the associated Jumpseat Coordinator. Discussions beyond ALPA represented carriers should include the ALPA National Jumpseat Chairperson.
4. Submit a Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee report at all regularly scheduled meetings of the MEC, or as otherwise directed.
C. ADMISSION TO FLIGHT DECK
1. Captains should be familiar with applicable Federal Air Regulations and their own Company policies concerning jumpseat use.
2. ALPA supports the Captain's authority to manage the flight deck environment and resources in a manner that enhances safety. Accordingly, ALPA supports the Captain's authority to exclude any person other than required crew from the flight deck if, in his opinion, that person's presence will compromise safety.
3. If a jumpseat rider is to remain on the flight deck, the Captain will ensure that he/she is properly briefed on safety, communication and evacuation procedures. This may be done verbally or by means of a printed aircraft specific briefing card.
4. ALPA and most airlines consider a pilot jumpseat rider as an additional crewmember. Pilot jumpseat riders must be prepared to exercise flight related tasks that the Captain may assign.
D. CABIN SEATING
1. In accordance with company policy, if a cabin seat(s) is available, the Captain may offer it to a jumpseat rider(s) to accommodate additional jumpseat requests. Appropriate procedures for such accommodations should be adopted and developed as Company policy.
2. As representatives of their airline and profession, jumpseat riders must conduct themselves in a manner that is above reproach at all times.
3. Although seated in the cabin, jumpseat riders may be asked to assist the cockpit or cabin crew in certain situations.
E. SECURITY/IDENTIFICATION
1. Without exception, security is paramount in all aspects of aviation safety. The Captain is responsible for ensuring that all jumpseat riders admitted to the flight deck have in their possession the proper documentation. For pilots, this shall include airmen's certification and valid company ID. Jumpseat riders should have this identification readily available for inspection.
2. Host Captains should recognize that a union membership card is another means of identity verification, although not all pilots of represented airlines are union members.
3. Under the Captain's authority, entry to the flight deck will not be permitted for individuals with whom the Captain or his flight deck crew is not entirely comfortable.
F. JUMPSEAT FRAUD AND ABUSE
1. A fraudulent jumpseat rider is an individual attempting to gain access to a flight deck by knowingly being deceptive. Counterfeit IDs, failure of medical certificate standards or dismissal by the presented employer constitute fraudulent representation.
2. An abuse of the jumpseat privilege includes, but is not limited to, individuals revenue positioning at company request for reasons other than commuting to or from work or on personal business.
G. BOARDING PRIORITY
1. It is understood that certain individuals, such as government or company officials in the performance of their duties, must be given free and unlimited access to the cockpit by FAR. Seniority, first-come, first-served or a reservation system may be used for company and off-line pilots.
2. Extending preferential boarding to specific carriers shall be reviewed and amended when determined appropriate by the Coordinator/Chairperson, the MEC and the Company.
3. Within boarding priority, most airlines accommodate off-line jumpseat riders on a first-come, first-served basis. Due consideration should be given to union affiliation. Any problems that arise should be quickly referred to the Captain for resolution.
4. Company boarding priority for other individuals shall be mutually developed by the Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee Chairperson, the airline management and the MEC.
H. OTHER JUMPSEAT REQUESTS
1. The FAA has an established procedure whereby air traffic controllers are allowed access to the cockpit for familiarization flights. ALPA supports these familiarization flights and encourages pilots to welcome controllers into their cockpits for this purpose. ATC personnel must have in their possession FAA Form 3120-28 Parts A&B, FAA Form 3120-31 and their FAA identification card/badge.
2. Foreign air carrier pilots, FAA licensed dispatchers and other individuals may be accommodated with authorization by the FAA and company flight management authorities.
I. NATIONAL JUMPSEAT REGISTRY
SOURCE - Board 2000; AMENDED - Executive Board May 2001
The ALPA Jumpseat Committee shall produce and maintain a National Jumpseat Registry. The airlines listed will abide by ALPA Jumpseat Policy and shall have appointed Jumpseat Coordinators to work with the ALPA sponsored Industry Jumpseat Task Force. The Registry will be disseminated within ALPA to Master Executive Councils and their appointed Jumpseat Coordinators to use as they see fit.
_________________________________________________________________________
So, it looks like I've got 7 outs that allow ME to determine who rides. And of course the big one:
The Captain is, and shall always be, the final authority as to admission to the flight deck.
Any other questions? Class dismissed.
Blue are the "outs" ALPA gives Captains to allow us to determine who is and who is not fit to receive the privilege of the jumpseat. And always remember, it is a PRIVILEGE, not a RIGHT.
And away we go...
___________________________________________________________________
TABLE OF CONTENTS
PART 1 - JUMPSEAT POLICY 2
A. MEC Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee Chairperson 2
B. Duties and Responsibilities of Jumpseat Coordinators/Committee Chairpersons 2
C. Admission to Flight Deck 3
D. Cabin Seating 3
E. Security/Identification 3
F. Jumpseat Fraud and Abuse 4
G. Boarding Priority 4
H. Other Jumpseat Requests 4
I. National Jumpseat Registry 4
INDEX 5
PART 1 - JUMPSEAT POLICY
SOURCE - Executive Board October 1997; AMENDED - Board 2000
The following policy provides guidelines that may be used by Master Executive Councils in establishing jumpseat policies and procedures with their respective airlines.
ALPA encourages participation by other pilot unions and officials of non-represented airlines in the industry-wide Jumpseat Task Force.
ALPA encourages all pilots to extend the use of their jumpseats to eligible cockpit crewmembers as a professional courtesy and as a resource to enhance the safety of flight. The Captain is, and shall always be, the final authority as to admission to the flight deck.
Denial of jumpseat privileges as a means of punishing, coercing or retaliating against other pilot groups or individuals is not supported by ALPA. The Jumpseat and/or Professional Standards Representative appointed by the respective Master Executive Council or governing body should resolve disputes that arise between pilots, airlines or other unions.
Master Executive Councils should appoint a Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee Chairperson and authorize him/her to work with their Company in establishing and administering jumpseat policy and procedures.
A. MEC JUMPSEAT COORDINATOR/COMMITTEE CHAIRPERSON
1. Guidelines for selection of Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee Chairperson
a. Experience - must be knowledgeable of the applicable Federal Aviation Regulations, associated legal interpretations and specific company policies that affect jumpseat usage at their respective airline.
b. Appointment/Term of Office - per MEC policy.
2. Funding for MEC Jumpseat Coordinators/Committee Chairpersons
a. Necessary funding for the MEC Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee Chairperson should be arranged by the respective MEC. Funding considerations should include flight pay loss, as well as other related expenses, to adequately represent pilot issues.
B. DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF JUMPSEAT COORDINATORS/COMMITTEE CHAIRPERSONS
1. Establish appropriate communication with the MEC to insure proper administration and compliance with the respective airline's jumpseat program.
a. The Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee Chairperson should report directly to the MEC Chairperson or designated appointee. The Coordinator or Chairperson should be authorized to represent the MEC in dealings with Company Officers on jumpseat matters. Issues of a critical nature should immediately be addressed to the MEC Chairperson.
2. Maintain an accurate file of company and industry-wide jumpseat policy and procedures.
a. When changes occur, the MEC Jumpseat Coordinator or Committee Chairperson should communicate them to the ALPA National Jumpseat Committee Chairperson for appropriate dissemination. ALPA resources will be used to keep all members of the Jumpseat Task Force informed on specific airline policies and procedures.
b. Communicate company and industry-wide changes of jumpseat procedures and protocol to the pilot group and other affected company employees. Appropriate union and/or company media sources should be incorporated to accomplish this.
3. Address and resolve issues that may arise over jumpseat authority and usage in a timely manner. Reciprocal airline and other off-line matters should be discussed with the associated Jumpseat Coordinator. Discussions beyond ALPA represented carriers should include the ALPA National Jumpseat Chairperson.
4. Submit a Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee report at all regularly scheduled meetings of the MEC, or as otherwise directed.
C. ADMISSION TO FLIGHT DECK
1. Captains should be familiar with applicable Federal Air Regulations and their own Company policies concerning jumpseat use.
2. ALPA supports the Captain's authority to manage the flight deck environment and resources in a manner that enhances safety. Accordingly, ALPA supports the Captain's authority to exclude any person other than required crew from the flight deck if, in his opinion, that person's presence will compromise safety.
3. If a jumpseat rider is to remain on the flight deck, the Captain will ensure that he/she is properly briefed on safety, communication and evacuation procedures. This may be done verbally or by means of a printed aircraft specific briefing card.
4. ALPA and most airlines consider a pilot jumpseat rider as an additional crewmember. Pilot jumpseat riders must be prepared to exercise flight related tasks that the Captain may assign.
D. CABIN SEATING
1. In accordance with company policy, if a cabin seat(s) is available, the Captain may offer it to a jumpseat rider(s) to accommodate additional jumpseat requests. Appropriate procedures for such accommodations should be adopted and developed as Company policy.
2. As representatives of their airline and profession, jumpseat riders must conduct themselves in a manner that is above reproach at all times.
3. Although seated in the cabin, jumpseat riders may be asked to assist the cockpit or cabin crew in certain situations.
E. SECURITY/IDENTIFICATION
1. Without exception, security is paramount in all aspects of aviation safety. The Captain is responsible for ensuring that all jumpseat riders admitted to the flight deck have in their possession the proper documentation. For pilots, this shall include airmen's certification and valid company ID. Jumpseat riders should have this identification readily available for inspection.
2. Host Captains should recognize that a union membership card is another means of identity verification, although not all pilots of represented airlines are union members.
3. Under the Captain's authority, entry to the flight deck will not be permitted for individuals with whom the Captain or his flight deck crew is not entirely comfortable.
F. JUMPSEAT FRAUD AND ABUSE
1. A fraudulent jumpseat rider is an individual attempting to gain access to a flight deck by knowingly being deceptive. Counterfeit IDs, failure of medical certificate standards or dismissal by the presented employer constitute fraudulent representation.
2. An abuse of the jumpseat privilege includes, but is not limited to, individuals revenue positioning at company request for reasons other than commuting to or from work or on personal business.
G. BOARDING PRIORITY
1. It is understood that certain individuals, such as government or company officials in the performance of their duties, must be given free and unlimited access to the cockpit by FAR. Seniority, first-come, first-served or a reservation system may be used for company and off-line pilots.
2. Extending preferential boarding to specific carriers shall be reviewed and amended when determined appropriate by the Coordinator/Chairperson, the MEC and the Company.
3. Within boarding priority, most airlines accommodate off-line jumpseat riders on a first-come, first-served basis. Due consideration should be given to union affiliation. Any problems that arise should be quickly referred to the Captain for resolution.
4. Company boarding priority for other individuals shall be mutually developed by the Jumpseat Coordinator/Committee Chairperson, the airline management and the MEC.
H. OTHER JUMPSEAT REQUESTS
1. The FAA has an established procedure whereby air traffic controllers are allowed access to the cockpit for familiarization flights. ALPA supports these familiarization flights and encourages pilots to welcome controllers into their cockpits for this purpose. ATC personnel must have in their possession FAA Form 3120-28 Parts A&B, FAA Form 3120-31 and their FAA identification card/badge.
2. Foreign air carrier pilots, FAA licensed dispatchers and other individuals may be accommodated with authorization by the FAA and company flight management authorities.
I. NATIONAL JUMPSEAT REGISTRY
SOURCE - Board 2000; AMENDED - Executive Board May 2001
The ALPA Jumpseat Committee shall produce and maintain a National Jumpseat Registry. The airlines listed will abide by ALPA Jumpseat Policy and shall have appointed Jumpseat Coordinators to work with the ALPA sponsored Industry Jumpseat Task Force. The Registry will be disseminated within ALPA to Master Executive Councils and their appointed Jumpseat Coordinators to use as they see fit.
_________________________________________________________________________
So, it looks like I've got 7 outs that allow ME to determine who rides. And of course the big one:
The Captain is, and shall always be, the final authority as to admission to the flight deck.
Any other questions? Class dismissed.
I understand the concept you're all trying to explain. Just because the theory makes sense, doesn't mean that what is actually going on. "Trickle down economics" is an economic theory as well, but jest because I can easily explain to you all how it works, doesn't mean it actually is a factor on the economy.
Yes, theoretically jetBlue's lower wages can indeed play a role in lowering other wages, but is there any actual real-life evidence of this?
I'm not the one making crazy proto-scab claims which damage other people's career. Its not my burden of proof.
thepedroid
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I don't mean to interject so late into this entertaining debate, but in Velo's defense, I don't see how one captain calling pilots protoscabs hurts their careers. I DO however see how a scab can hurt everyone else's careers. You mentioned it yourself, it's trickle down economics.
SCABS are bad for other pilots, good for management. plain and simple. It really doesn't need any additional explanation.
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