Skywest doing the branded thing?
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flyguy
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Believe me, if a union is voted in, the work rules will change until a contract is negotiatied.
Until I see Mesa's QOL anywhere in the vicinity of being close to SkyWest's, I'll have no confidence in ALPA's ability to make things at SkyWest any better than they are now. Is first year pay really that big a deal? I hope not, because I do not know a single first year FO that wants anything to do with ALPA. If we vote in ALPA just so first year pay goes up, what happens when our second year comes around and our pay gets cut so that new hires get a raise? Come on people, things are good at SKW. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
flyguy
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I know XJT has good work rules, but so do we, and it dosn't cost us 2% of our salaries.
surreal1221
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Looking out for #1 I see. . .:banghead:
OldTownPilot
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What SAPA fails to give is personal career protection.
Land on a taxiway during a circle to land at dusk? fuggetabutit
Kick the director of fltops out of his first class seat, for the crew rest seat (as per the contract)? no-job-4-u
Slide off a taxiway into a snowbank? crunched airplane= no job!
That to me is the best thing that ALPA provides.
Land on a taxiway during a circle to land at dusk? fuggetabutit
Kick the director of fltops out of his first class seat, for the crew rest seat (as per the contract)? no-job-4-u
Slide off a taxiway into a snowbank? crunched airplane= no job!
That to me is the best thing that ALPA provides.
Seggy
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No believe me, it is against the Railway Labor Act that a company CAN NOT change the rules when/if a union is voted in.
There is a labor attorney on this board that I am sure will chime in on this one.
The reason Mesa has a poor quality of life is because of the Freedom fiasco.
You never answered the questions I posed to you, about age 65, the company you want to work for after Skywest. Why don't you answer those please.
meritflyer
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Eh, I believe it sucked before, during, and after the Freedom thing.
Even today with the Mesa and Freedom acting as one, per the court's ruling, it still sucks.
I personally believe its someone named JO that keeps things subpar.
Seggy
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Actually back in the day the airlines that today composed Mesa wasn't that bad of a place to be. Mesa was composed of about three to five different regional airlines that were combined. The reason its sucks is the whipsaw JO put each of these little regionals up against one another.
Yeah you are right JO kept it down. But Mesa really wasn't really that bad of a place to be, before he got there.
Minnesota_Flyer
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No. Under the RLA, the company must maintain status quo ante until a new contract is negotiated (or until an impasse is declared). Skywest cannot legally change work rules once a bargaining unit is certified. (and effectively cannot change them during the electioneering process)
Seggy
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zmiller4
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No offense to you personally, but this is an issue I have with outsiders commenting on how things are at Skywest. The company--in my experience--does not go around firing people left and right. While there's been a couple notable instances where pilots have gotten fired because of personal vendettas (and eventually got their jobs back), there are MANY cases exactly like you described above where people *haven't* lost their jobs.
I agree with you, though, that this is not a function of SAPA, and I fully recognize that
this policy of general leniency can come and go at the whim of management (which is why I'dlike to see alpa here)--but at least right now, it's not as bad as you make it out to be.
Cruise
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:argue: :banghead:
Ugh! Ever heard of a little thing called making it a better place to be for those who follow in your footsteps. Nothing personal, but your attitude disgusts me. That, right there, is a prime example of why ALPA didn't pass at Colgan.
WAKE UP PEOPLE! 2% of very little pay....is very little! We need to start thinking about the profession as a whole and not 'what's in it for ME.'
WAKE UP!
[size=-3]/rant....sorry, you hit a nerve.[/size]
Seggy
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And yet these same people would give both their nuts to work at a unionized major such as FEDEX, UPS, SWA, Delta, United, American, Alaska, Northwest, and USAIRWAYS among others.
Makes you wonder the direction of this industry!
zmiller4
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You're exactly right, Seggy. That's why I said "at the whim of management" (although the person with the vendetta in this case shouldn't be a factor anymore), and that's why I'd like more protection.
But implying that the company is currently firing people for no reason is just incorrect.
Seggy
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And I agree with you fully there.
All in all Skywest is a good company with a good bunch of people there. Hopefully they get ALPA to protect those good people there if/when something DOES happen.
zmiller4
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Thanks, Seggy. I appreciate you not picking up the "skywest is teh • of the industry" line that seems to be pretty popular. I think you were right on a few pages ago when you said this:
I think that ALPA supporters here need to understand that for the hundreds of guys who have been hired away from ALPA carriers in the last year and a half, it's not nearly as clear-cut an issue as some think it is. They need to understand that it doesn't necessarily make someone selfish, weak, willing to steal mainline jobs for crap wages just because they don't support ALPA when they're getting paid 93hrs a month with 19 days off and looking at a year and a half upgrade.
It's not that I don't agree with what Jtrain and others are saying, but I strongly disagree with their characterization of Skywest as a sub-par regional (I know, not saying much)--especially when it comes from folks who have no direct experience with the airline (or airlines in general).
meritflyer
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For the record -
I am pro airline union.
I think SKYW would be a great place to work and hold nothing against them for not being union.
I am pro airline union.
I think SKYW would be a great place to work and hold nothing against them for not being union.
Ralgha
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As Zmiller said already, people have done those exact things and not lost their job. Well maybe not the director bit, since we don't need a crew rest seat, but the rest.
Infact, the one that slid off the runway into a snowbank didn't even have to fight to keep their job, imagine that! Stick with facts that you know something about instead of making them up and your arguments will go over a lot better.
There was a guy who landed with the parking brake on, blew all four mains, and the only thing that happened to him was that he aquired a new nickname.
E_Dawg
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What is wrong with writing something down that says hey, your employment is not at-will, and these are the work rules which cannot be changed at any time, without notice.
Also how can you say first year pay doesn't matter? It's an embarrassment to the profession across the board, and a big reason for it is no one cares after they finish year one. Very individualistic mentality.