what's up with the hate?

Snuggle

Snuggle

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I'm pretty new to the 121 world, but I've noticed a lot of hatred amongst pilots. I don't really get it. It's a job and at the end of the day I have a life outside of aviation. I try not to get all caught up with the politics and I treat everyone how I would want to be treated. How come it feels like sometimes people look down on you if you work for a certain company? I've just started in this business and already I've had pilots talk down to me, some even flat out ignore me. Overall most people are cool so I guess I've just had bad luck lately. I just have a hard time understanding how I've offended someone else.
 
I think it probably depends on where you look and who's doing the 'hating'.

Generally speaking, we're an industry with far too many "Type A" personalities and some choose to drag others down in order to make themselves feel more relevant.

I'll bet you that any profession with a high amount of "Type A" personalities has the same issues.

I naturally try to surround myself with friendly, positive, "Big Picture" people at work so I don't have to deal with negativity. Don't get me wrong, I can complain like anyone else, but it comes to the point where you're simply preaching to the choir, adding nothing new to the issue and there's a layover beer sitting there getting warm on you.
 
To the OP. Not sure if you've worked in another type of industry before but no matter what you're doing for work you will always encounter people who are unhappy and/or angry about their job. Look at the movie Office Space. Pretty much everywhere you work will have those types of characters. As Doug said do what you can to surround yourself with the more positive people and ignore the negative ones.
 
I think internet message boards magnify these types of feelings because they provide a good place to vent. Out in the real world people tend to focus more on what they are doing and pay less attention to competitors/counterparts.

I'm also somewhat superstitious and don't like to make negative comments toward anyone, especially in the cockpit; it can only generate bad karma. The golden rule is generally a good one to live by.
 
I've found that the ones who hate life and project the most amount of angst to their fellow pilots are the ones who live and breathe this job day in, day out. There is no balance in their life, so they allow the ups and down of this job to rule their lives. When something negative happens in their career (even if it doesn't directly apply to them), it affects everything in their life the same way, because flying is their life.

I found myself going down that path... Luckily I was able to stop the downward slide before this job ate me alive. Sitting back and looking at this career from a new perspective really changes things. This career is very rewarding, and I'll put a lot of effort into it, but it does not define who I am. When this career begins to define who you are, then you are in for trouble.
 
I wouldn't call it hate.

When you join a message forum, ran by, and utilized by professional pilots and student commercial pilots with prospects of developing a lifelong career in aviation you are going to have a merging of minds, opinions, and emotions in regards to treatment of the profession. By those inside, and outside of the profession.

So, I don't call it hate. I call it education.

I also, may call it tough love.
 
surreal1221 said:
I wouldn't call it hate.

When you join a message forum, ran by, and utilized by professional pilots and student commercial pilots with prospects of developing a lifelong career in aviation you are going to have a merging of minds, opinions, and emotions in regards to treatment of the profession. By those inside, and outside of the profession.

So, I don't call it hate. I call it education.

I also, may call it tough love.
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I wasn't speaking of the forums. I'm talking about out there while I'm working. At the airports, in hotel vans...etc..etc
 
Hmm. . .well, in that CASE. . .

Nevermind. But, since you work at Colgan. . .I'd contact one of the other Colganites and see if they had to deal with the same type of treatment when they first got there.
 
FlyChicaga said:
I've found that the ones who hate life and project the most amount of angst to their fellow pilots are the ones who live and breathe this job day in, day out. There is no balance in their life, so they allow the ups and down of this job to rule their lives.
When this career begins to define who you are, then you are in for trouble.
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Well said.
 
Snuggle, you are right......and wrong.

I agree there are people out there who look negatively on us TP drivers. They think it's not a real "airliner" if it doesn't have suck/ blow propulsion. [size=-5]Heck, even most passengers feel this way....but they are usually completely uninformed.[/size] What they don't realize is that it's much better to screw one's way through life than to blow it. ;)

Seriously though, there are many that snub turboprop pilots. However, IMHO, those are just the ignorant fools and SJS'rs (basically one in the same). On the flip side, I've also met many jet jockeys who don't treat me any differently than any other pilot. So it is what it is.......don't worry about it.

Basically, I wouldn't let it get to you. Those people who treat us differently aren't worth the extra consideration. Go about your job and do it to the best of your ability. Give your passengers the best ride/ service you can. In the end, that's all that really matters! :cool:
 
Yeah, Go Jets sucks.

Sucks even worse when UPS and Continental hire GoJets pilots...

Working for an alter-ego carrier, formed specifically to get around TSA's pilot group, is no hindrance to a career at UPS or Continental.

The only people who tell you that you'll be blacklisted for working at Gulfstream or Go Jets are jetcareers.com forum browsers. The airline HR department sees "CRJ-700 - 1000PIC jet time", and several internal UPS recommendations..... and wham! Interview, and the Go Jetter lands a job at UPS.


And Max, I just had a Continental captain ask me if I knew anything about GoJets, cause one of his new FOs was from GoJets, but the F/O was hesitant to talk about it and changed the subject. The captain asked me if I knew about Go Jets, and then I filled him in on the story. Poor guy was completely clueless as to who Go Jets is or what they've done. Ever wonder how many legacy pilots don't even know what Go Jets is? A pretty high amount, methinks.
 
Cruise said:
I agree there are people out there who look negatively on us TP drivers. They think it's not a real "airliner" if it doesn't have suck/ blow propulsion.
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Mebbe it's because I'm still new to "this world," but I don't get this attitude. Personally, I care a lot less about what you drive and more about what you're like when you're NOT driving it.

Hmm.... come to think of it, that works for cars, too....
 
Snuggle,
Don't let the negativity get to you. I know, easier said than done. There's nothing worse than getting to work in a great mood, then running across some • who's mad at the world. Just stay true to yourself and don't worry about other people's issues. As has been said before, they've probably got other crap going on in their life and are taking it out on everyone they run across. Sad, but true.:(
 
Snuggle said:
I'm pretty new to the 121 world, but I've noticed a lot of hatred amongst pilots. I don't really get it. It's a job and at the end of the day I have a life outside of aviation. I try not to get all caught up with the politics and I treat everyone how I would want to be treated. How come it feels like sometimes people look down on you if you work for a certain company? I've just started in this business and already I've had pilots talk down to me, some even flat out ignore me. Overall most people are cool so I guess I've just had bad luck lately. I just have a hard time understanding how I've offended someone else.
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Who do you work for? If its jetBlue, Skybus or Virgin, then the answer is obvious. You voluntarily went to work for a non-Union carrier who is undercutting the Union contracts that people have worked 70 years to build. You're tearing down the foundations of the airline pilot profession by selling your skills for substandard wages and benefits.

That makes our employers think its acceptable to use the bankruptcy laws to cut our wages and void our retirement plans.

If all they did was ignore you, thank your lucky stars. There are plenty of guys out there who would like to have a personal "discussion" with you in an alley somewhere.
 
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