what's up with the hate?

VP

Nevermind, I see now others have called you out on this one. What's your deal anyway? You must be a real treat to spend a 4 day with. :sarcasm:

Oh, and another thing, before you chime in that I need 121 time to validate my comment.....that box is checked. ;)
 
Snuggle said:
Wow I wasn't even thinking someone actually hated me that bad to beat me up in a alley! If somebody actually wants to harm another human being because they took a job as an FO on a beech 1900 then I'd say they are pretty pathetic. That's behaving more like an animal rather then a professional airline pilot.
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:yeahthat:

It's borderline criminal, too.

It certainly doesn't fall under the terms of use of this site.
 
FSIPILOT said:
We do not see eye to eye on this. I’m not about to hijack this thread and get into PFT consequences. The jet charter company I was with simply wanted NO part of people who subscribe to the idea that it’s ok to pay for a job when your credentials otherwise would leave you in the back of the line. That was our prerogative; we enjoyed giving breaks to hard workers not hard spenders.
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How soon you forget that many regional airlines (like Comair and ExpressJet, or when it was Continental Express), were PFT airlines.

Based on your shady selection procedure, I'd hate to work at your place.
 
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VP about to get the remix on this subject. drip drip drip
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
How soon you forget that many regional airlines (like Comair and ExpressJet, or when it was Continental Express), were PFT airlines.

Based on your shady selection procedure, I'd hate to work at your place.
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Just when I think I’ve gotten out, they pull me back in.

Ok I think you’ve taken a few liberties here. For one it wasn’t necessary for the company to spend much time or resources researching what regionals were charging for the privilege of working for them; I’m sure there was always more pending business to tend to, so I wouldn’t say we were forgetting anything.

Listen, GIA thinks PFT is an ok business practice, that’s fine. However the company/management I was with (myself included) not only did not copy this REVENUE making process, it didn’t believe that this was an ok business practice. Therefore we wanted NO part of PFT people.

Secondly, I hope I didn’t leave you with the impression that we only rejected PFT pilots from GIA. I’m nearly certain that no known PFT pilots had ever gotten hired at that particular company. The owner was a true believer in ‘elbow grease’ and proper ladder climbing and the PFT mentality struck a sore note with him, along with other employees. GIA just came into discussion more often because of their proximity; being just 20 miles down the road.

Shady selection process? I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion. For what its worth the aircraft were world class along with a great bunch of guys who were all like brothers in and out of work, and still are to this day for that matter. Most started with the company with zero turbine time and a hungry work ethic, and today the ‘core’ guys are flying everything from an A320 to B747 and everything in the middle with majors.

If the pilots who plunked out an additional $30,000. after ratings for a measly 250 hours thought there were no other opportunities out there just didn’t do their homework and were sucked into a uniform n’ cap and glossy adds. I think that in general it wouldn't have been a good fit for either parties, one side was into hard work and one side was into cutting corners and the 'fast' way, two different schools of thought.
 
Remember guys, being a professional pilot has little to do with who you work for, what you fly and how much you make. Rather, being a professional pilot is all about who you are, what you stand for and how you represent your craft.

The major airlines have more than their fair share of amateurs and idiots flying airplanes. Conversely, there is ample representation of true professionals in even the lowliest of aviation places. It is truly naive to judge a pilot solely on the uniform he or she wears.
 
calcapt said:
Remember guys, being a professional pilot has little to do with who you work for, what you fly and how much you make. Rather, being a professional pilot is all about who you are, what you stand for and how you represent your craft.
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Very well articulated
 
Snuggle, a long time old airline pilot friend just offered me his opinion via the phone. (he's not on this site, but I read him your question)...he told me that the people attracted to piloting are basically adrenalin junkies who like drama, (and that is why they often have psycho women and multiple marriages) His words, not mine, I swear! :eek:
 
Velocipede said:
If you work for a non-Union carrier that undercuts our contracts, you've got to understand GOING IN that there is a certain level of animosity towards you. You have caused guys to lose pay and benefits. For some that means houses lost and divorce.

So, if you work for Gojets, jetBlue, Skybus or Virgin, you can expect to be ignored AT BEST.

And if you really want to see hatred, cross a picket line and become a scab. That cross you will bear the rest of your life regardless of where you work.
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Like its really affecting you..get over yourself.
 
Wow...what a great thread....

1) UPS hiring Gojet pilots:

I only know of one, so that may be pilot, and not pilots. I'd bet money, though, that we've had more scabs on the property than Gojet pilots. What does that prove? That ANYBODY with the right connections has a shot at UPS. Running around saying Gojet pilots get hired at UPS so there is nothing wrong with Gojet doesn't hold water. I mean, are they are or they not working at an airline that was formed to circumvent the TSA pilot group? Getting hired at UPS doesn't justify working for such a pilot group. Management, who does the hiring, could care less. You're average line guy could care less, too, until you explain it in terms of how such a deal would effect them. If UPS started an alter ego airline to bypass the IPA, all hell would break loose. Then, and only then, will your average line guy "get it".

2) Gulfstream:

This means of entering the profession is just wrong for obvious reasons. I'd not think highly of someone who did this and wouldn't hesitate to tell them why. Only streamer I ever flew with was quick to point out they were a street Capt. I assume that's because it's been an "issue" in past discussions. So Cherokee, add me to your list of "P***k's. I'll wear it with pride....

3. "Everyone hates Jetblue pilots cause they are non-union"

Ummm....not really. I only know one guy that subscribes to this and he's right here at this very website. Don't anybody think this attitude is common. Not even a little bit common, in my experience.
 
DE,

You might be surprised how much animosity there is out there towards jetBlue, Gojets, Skybus and Virgin pilots. Meet me sometime at the Liberty Lake or Sullivan Starbucks. I'll buy you a cup of coffee and explain it to you.

PM me a time and date.
 
Velocipede said:
DE,

You might be surprised how much animosity there is out there towards jetBlue, Gojets, Skybus and Virgin pilots. Meet me sometime at the Liberty Lake or Sullivan Starbucks. I'll buy you a cup of coffee and explain it to you.

PM me a time and date.
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If all they did was ignore you, thank your lucky stars. There are plenty of guys out there who would like to have a personal "discussion" with you in an alley somewhere.
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Don't do it it's a trap!! :p
 
DE,

You can choose to not think highly of Gulfstream PFJ people, and I don't either. I don't agree with buying directly the right seat.

The previous p-word was used to describe the selction methods of a guy here, who shreds any resume from a Gulfstream person. Hate it or not, they do fly the B1900 in a Part 121 operation flying all around Florida and some of the Islands offshore. As with flying in ANY part 121 operation in this country, that is some serious experience. To discount the experience because they went to Gulfstream Academy (and as a result, shred their resume) does not say a lot about the selection procedure at your company.
That's what I meant by the p-word comment. It is not directed to you.
 
It doesn't say a lot TO YOU about the selection procedure, but to me it screams that they know what they're doing.

But then again, you've never been involved in interviewing somebody at an airline have you?
 
"I'll buy you a cup of coffee and explain it to you"

Explain what? Using the jumpseat to push an agenda? That I should join you in hating Jetblue pilots?

Save it. It didn't play at the other site and it's not playing here.

I've got no love lost for GoJet or Gulfstream, but I wouldn't deny them a jumpseat. I'd be trying to make it an educational experience all the way around.

I'll track you down next time we have a Spokane M and G. Trybysky is around most of the time and once in a while a JCer on a layover tracks me down. But it will at Hooters, not Starbucks. I'm more of Hooters guy.
 
"I don't agree with buying directly the right seat"

How does JetU, which you said earlier guarantees you a job (unless is was a typo), not directly buying the right seat?

It's the same thing. Just a little different.
 
jtrain609 said:
It doesn't say a lot TO YOU about the selection procedure, but to me it screams that they know what they're doing.

But then again, you've never been involved in interviewing somebody at an airline have you?
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"What they are doing" is letting their bias show because someone went to Gulfstream Academy, and then *discredting* their experience at a Part 121 airline.

No, I haven't been involved with interviewing at an airline.


Like DE said, even scabs have found jobs at UPS. I worked at Evergreen, and there were plenty of Eastern scabs there.

If I was interviewing someone at the airline, when it comes to looking at their resume, I would look at their experience and qualifications. To shred the resume because a guy went to Gulfstream Academy, is childish at best.

Gulfstreamers end up getting jobs at majors (Continental, Airtran etc). So, I know it is your airline selection procedure that is messed up for your biases.
 
DE727UPS said:
"I don't agree with buying directly the right seat"

How does JetU, which you said earlier guarantees you a job (unless is was a typo), not directly buying the right seat?

It's the same thing. Just a little different.
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Don, no, Gulfstream you pay $30k to DIRECTLY sit in the right seat, and that is the ONLY source of F/Os for Gulfstream Airlines. Latest rumors have it they are now hiring street FOs because they don't have enough Academy F/Os.

Now that's different. Your $30k is used to directly pay for a job, bypassing an interview, and land yourself in the right seat.

Essentially, it's if you pay 30k, you buy the right seat directly from the airline for 250 hours. NO interviews, no nothing like that.

Jet U, along with ATP, and CAE, provide a CRJ transition course, and that's ALL your money gets you.

Those schools have interviews setup with regional airlines, and then you interview (like ANYONE else).

Jet U pilots have to take the ATP written, Tech Questions, HR Questions, and a CRJ sim check. If they pass all four, they get hired.

So, your 30k does not buy you the right seat of the job directly like Gulfstream does.

Now if I paid 30k to Jet U and then got 250 hours in the right seat of a Pinnacle CRJ, then that would be PFJ.

I thought you knew the differences between Gulfstream Academy (by a job), and Jet U, ATPs, CAE (buy a CRJ course, and only get an interview).
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
"What they are doing" is letting their bias show because someone went to Gulfstream Academy, and then *discredting* their experience at a Part 121 airline.

No, I haven't been involved with interviewing at an airline.


Like DE said, even scabs have found jobs at UPS. I worked at Evergreen, and there were plenty of Eastern scabs there.

If I was interviewing someone at the airline, when it comes to looking at their resume, I would look at their experience and qualifications. To shred the resume because a guy went to Gulfstream Academy, is childish at best.

Gulfstreamers end up getting jobs at majors (Continental, Airtran etc). So, I know it is your airline selection procedure that is messed up for your biases.
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It could be that they think the majority of PFTers are complete tools and they don't want to work with them. You know personality IS part of the interview right?
 
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