PCL hires 8 of 11 from ATP

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The saabs also are routinely asked to slow behind the RJs doing 160kts 10 miles out. No problem, but having airbrakes does have its merits when Potomac wants to get things done.

If you're not flying the assigned speed to the marker at the DC airports it's because it's a very slow time at the airport. Often that assigned speed is 160, but there you go, it is what it is.

I'm not saying RJ pilots don't slow down "too early" at some locations, I'm just saying if you haven't heard Potmac screaming at somebody for slowing down when they weren't told to, well you haven't been operating there long. Heard them tear a whole near rear end out of Speedbird one afternoon!
 
Actually, I get slowed for Dad a lot more then I do for props. Stupid 757s doing 170 down the slope.

Let's put things in perspective. Slowing for an arrival/approach is only for the last :10 mins of a flight. (besides....you're paid by the hour, right?) 3 miles per minute vs 4.1 mpm for :10 min ???? That's like arguing about slowing from .80-.78

Try slowing 100 KIAS below cruise speed for the last hour (+) behind somebody. 1 mpm for :10 minutes = no big deal. 1mpm for 1 hr + is a HUGE deal.
 
Getting slowed 10 miles out matters when you have 5 minutes to catch a commute home and you've been playing SWA and asking for shortcuts every chance you get and then you miss it because you have to do a 20 mile downwind, turn around and come all the way back in at 160.

Dad is US Airways mainline.

I think it started back when we first got jets and they started calling us "little kids". Dad isn't exactly a term of enderment.
 
Getting slowed 10 miles out matters when you have 5 minutes to catch a commute home and you've been playing SWA and asking for shortcuts every chance you get and then you miss it because you have to do a 20 mile downwind, turn around and come all the way back in at 160.

Dad is US Airways mainline.

I think it started back when we first got jets and they started calling us "little kids". Dad isn't exactly a term of enderment.

Okay so then who is AAA? My guess Dad again (US Airways) but I thought their new company identifier was LCC?
 
LCC is just the stock ticker and some middle-upper managers wet dream for a promotion. AAA is still the ATC tag. There is a pretty good rumor floating around (Parker sort of confirmed it) that the merged call sign will be CACTUS, but that is down the road a bit. Then I guess we could call dad a real prick and not be too far off:insane:
 
Getting slowed 10 miles out matters when you have 5 minutes to catch a commute home.....
I won't get into the logic of planning your commute around a :05 connection. If I have to deal with slowing for 600 miles you can deal with 10.


PS.....CACTUS??? I sure hope not. After peddling their VISA cards, playing their commercials on the monitors, and advertising on tray tables, I have lost respect for USAir (management).
 
I won't get into the logic of planning your commute around a :05 connection. If I have to deal with slowing for 600 miles you can deal with 10.

I think I just had one of those "did he just say that" moments. Obviously NJA_Capt has never been invovled in working at a regional, where one gets the best commutable schedule they can and then tries to make commuting work.

With great respect, it has nothing to do with "planning" the commute; it is what it is. If you have a chance to get in and make the last flight out, you do everything you can to do it.

Keep in mind we don't get "airlined" to our domicile like the old skool nja guys do.
 
This ought to get pretty good...:insane:

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This doesn't need to go anywhere, I have all the respect for a nja pilot, I was just trying to explain the "why" behind the five minute flight thing. I am not a commuter (yet!), but witness this all the time with fellow co-workers.

It happens, they deal with it, you don't plan for it but it's pretty frustrating to get slowed and "just" miss the flight.
 
Keep in mind we don't get "airlined" to our domicile like the old skool nja guys do.

Minor correction: NJA pilots, regardless of tenure, do not get airlined to or from a domicile. The company pays to get us from the domicile to our plane then back to the domicile. How a pilot gets to/from home and domicile is up to the pilot($$).

No offense intended in my previous post. Thanks for the discretion in your response.

NJA_C (former commuting pilot)
 
I actually don't commute my self so it was more of a hypathetical (hypethectical?). Even if it doesn't matter to the pilots, the passengers often times have tight connections (SABRE allows for a 28 minute connection) so getting to the gate early or on time is important.

I know... your pax have a nice car sitting waiting for them so it isn't really an issue if you get slowed 600 miles out because a 737 made it up to 430.:nana2:
 
:confused:

This doesn't need to go anywhere...

It was just a joke...I didn't really think it would blow up or anything. Just some humor at some of our discussions. Did you miss the "crazy smilie", or whatever it's called. Sorry if you thought I was instigating.
 
Minor correction: NJA pilots, regardless of tenure, do not get airlined to or from a domicile. The company pays to get us from the domicile to our plane then back to the domicile. How a pilot gets to/from home and domicile is up to the pilot($$).

What was changed in regards to this in the new contract? I thought there was some sort of allure to a "home basing" option at NJA under the old contract that allowed people on property to be grandfathered in?
 
What was changed in regards to this in the new contract? I thought there was some sort of allure to a "home basing" option at NJA under the old contract that allowed people on property to be grandfathered in?
Pilots hired prior to the CBA can use Home Based Airports (HBAs) to begin and end a tour of duty. Pilots hired after the CBA must elect one of five domiciles to begin and end a tour. Newhires do not have to live in the domicile, but they must get there on their own to begin a tour. Regardless of HBA or domiciles, both pilots have to "get to the airport" on their own dime and time. Once at their HBA/domicile the company pays to move the pilot around.

To qualify as an HBA, an airport must basically have year round service by multiple carriers.
 
Pilots hired prior to the CBA can use Home Based Airports (HBAs) to begin and end a tour of duty.

OK thanks - yeah that sounds like a great deal. Basically home-based, you just pay for long term parking. Beats having to move to a crappy domicile every 1-2 years as they open and close. We carry a lot of NJA guys in and out of white plains, they always end up as "selectees" it seems.

When I was referring to being home based, I guess I was inferring that there wasn't a limo waiting to take you from your home to the airport. I think as pilots we would ALL like to be "home based", it's unfortunate nja took that out of the current contract (probably was a big draw for a lot of people).
 
This is amazing! We went from Pinnacle and ATP to airspeed on approach in the DC-3 airports to domiciles and HBA's for NetJets. :)
 
Yeah lots of interesting stuff along however many pages of posts too.

If anyone is still interested in the original topic, part of the 9/11 class (the one in the picture) still had class and a bunch of them are to be in the next class, which is not going to be held in the immediate forseeable future.
 
Haha, im gunna resurrect this thread! You know, with whole 250 hr pilot "experience" thing, is it not true that many foreign airlines around the world train their pilots to this point and then put them into the right seat of their heavy jets? Luftansa comes to mind and so does the chinese airlines. Am I wrong? I knew you would say I was so...

[FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL][SIZE=-1]Lufthansa, one of the pioneers of the ab initio concept, is actively recruiting candidates for its ab initio training program through the German media. The basic requirements for consideration by Lufthansa are: [/SIZE][/FONT]
  • [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL][SIZE=-1][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL][SIZE=-1]
  • No previous flight time required.
  • Between 19 and 29 years of age.
  • German bachelor's degree.
  • Military service completed.
  • Comply with physical and eyesight minimums.
  • Permanent German work status.
  • Speak both German and English fluently.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL][SIZE=-1]The ab initio applicant is subjected to four days of psychological, coordination, scholarly aptitude, and technical evaluation in Germany. If successful, the candidate will enter a two-year training program covering all aspects of basic flight and advanced airline flying, including meteorology, flight procedures, European licensing, systems, aerodynamics, and so on. If an aspiring pilot fails evaluation testing the first time, there is no re-test -ever! [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL][SIZE=-1]Primary flight training is conducted at Lufthansa's Arizona facility near Phoenix. There, the new pilot learns the elements of aviating in airplanes ranging from Beechcraft Bonanzas to Barons. Advanced flight and ground training takes place in Germany where the student will be exposed to European airspace, weather, and regulations in Piper Cheyennes. Cockpit resource management and crew coordination are emphasized throughout. [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL][SIZE=-1]At the end of the two-year training routine, the new Lufthansa pilot will be assigned to a Boeing or Airbus with all of about 200 hours of actual flight time and several hundred hours of simulator experience. [/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL][SIZE=-1]This, then, marks a real ab initio program. The aspiring cockpit professional is groomed from the beginning for a specific airline. The airline sponsors the candidate by absorbing the training costs! In the case of Lufthansa, the airline foots the bill in the amount of slightly more than $100,000. Once hired, the pilot is expected to reimburse the company about 15 percent of the total tab over time. It should be noted that there is no absolute guarantee that the trainee will be picked up by Lufthansa once he has completed the course. If the ab initio graduate is left standing in the unemployment line, then Lufthansa receives no reimbursement for the training costs. [/SIZE][/FONT]http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/inst_reports2.cfm?article=132

Moreover,
"A new-hire who passes Indoc, Ground, Oral, Sim, Check-ride, and IOE, has every right to be in the right sight of an airline, no matter how many hours they have"-MESA ERJ-145 Captain



Gotcha:nana2:
 
Okay dude...if you want to go that route then simply do it and stop talking about it already. And lastly...if you're going to do it you don't need our approval or permission. You're new to a old subject here at JC.

I can tell that were not going to change your mind about low hour pilots in jets. Or what we might consider low pay and how $70k isn't really alot or even something that could be considered a liveable wage.

Conversely you're not going to change our mind about $80k being a liveable wage to settle for in this industry. Or 250 hr. wonders in jets with captains flying single pilot IFR with 50-86 pax in the back.

So now that I have said that here is the addy to mesa pilot development in Farmington NM. You know in case you didn't already have it. But something tells me it is number one on your speed dial!

http://tech.mesa-air.com/MPD/

:rolleyes:
 
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