SeanD
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Anyone else post this update yet? If not here it is
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060829/ap_on_re_us/kentucky_crash
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060829/ap_on_re_us/kentucky_crash
Comair Crash today (fatal)
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Homewrecker
I don't see what the FOs personal life has anything to do with this. This stuff annoys me so much.
As far as flying for Gulfstream, though I have the same sentiments as everyone regarding that so called airline, the FO did pass an interview with Comair I would assume. Also, the captain taxied the plane to the wrong runway...
It'll be interesting to see a technical analysis of the breakdown in the system which caused them to lose situational awareness.
As far as flying for Gulfstream, though I have the same sentiments as everyone regarding that so called airline, the FO did pass an interview with Comair I would assume. Also, the captain taxied the plane to the wrong runway...
It'll be interesting to see a technical analysis of the breakdown in the system which caused them to lose situational awareness.
Stone Cold
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I agree that I don't think Gulfstream should even come into play with this accident. It says the FO flew with them for something like 6 years. I'm more interested in the breakdown of the loss of SA during a critical time, from what is being reported and the evidence shown.
It is sad. RIP to all who perished and sympathies to the families. Prayers go out to the FO and his family also!
mtsu_av8er
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Fixed it for ya.
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I thought about doing that, but thought that one of my former students might start talking!!!
GreenDayPilot
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so.... the FAA is taking some blame for only having one guy in the tower, eh?.... interesting....
Timbuff10
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Suhweeeet! I'm stealin' it!
I'm a lights camera action guy but I am switching unless primacy says I can't.
As far as the Gulfstream connection with the F/O, their grads do seem to be involved in a fair amount of accidents but I see no way that it relates at all or should reflect anything about the school.
The knock is that they are not worthy of that type of job at Gulfstream due to them getting "hired" at their low times. I have no doubt that after a few months of "working" at Gulfstream they can produce an exceptional pilot. It is just those first few learning months that would be questionable in my book.
WestIndian425
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We use HALF-Time over here.
Heading indicator matches compass and runway heading
Altitude mode on transponder
Landing lights and strobes (if applicable) ON
Fuel items (Mixture/fuel pumps/fuel selector)
Time start
Neil
Heading indicator matches compass and runway heading
Altitude mode on transponder
Landing lights and strobes (if applicable) ON
Fuel items (Mixture/fuel pumps/fuel selector)
Time start
Neil
GreenDayPilot
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We use:
Line Up Procedure:
Approach sector... clear
Runway and Departure sector... clear
pitot heat.... off
strobe lights.... on
landing light..... on
Transponder.... on
Compasses... check
Mixture.... full rich
Maximum power.... set
Engine instruments.... in limits
60
VR
Positive... gear up..... up
check flaps up... up
Memorized word for word... thats just the take off
Line Up Procedure:
Approach sector... clear
Runway and Departure sector... clear
pitot heat.... off
strobe lights.... on
landing light..... on
Transponder.... on
Compasses... check
Mixture.... full rich
Maximum power.... set
Engine instruments.... in limits
60
VR
Positive... gear up..... up
check flaps up... up
Memorized word for word... thats just the take off
surreal1221
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EatSleepFly
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He's also typed in the 1900, which means he was probably a Gulfstream captain. Gulfstream "graduate" doesn't necessarily mean he paid to play, they used to be a full fledged flight school. And either way, whats your point?
Timbuff10
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Yikes, I hope I am not behind you guys when I am ready to go. Might be there for a while.
I think the key to it is that it is quick and easy to memorize as a last check after the checklist is done.
Really, the only thing you probably need is Landing Lights & Strobes on as you cross the hold line, then when on center line, the heading indicator and compass matches the runway, then a final check of the windsock.
All that other stuff should be done in the runup area or sometime prior to being cleared to takeoff.
mtsu_av8er
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When I was teaching, I used HUFFBASED-HIGH-ON-SPEED
H-Heading Indicator
U-Undercarriage handle down
F-Frequency for departure is correct
F-Frequency for the first NAVAID selected
B-Beacon on
A-Airspeed Indicator Zero's
S-Seatbelts On and secured
E-Emergency Briefing completed
D-Doors closed
H-Hands on Yoke
I-Inside lighting as neccesary
G-Gauges for gas verified
H-Headset plugged in securely
O-Outside lighting as neccesary
N-No Other Planes On Runway
S-Strobes on
P-Position Lights On
E-Exit plan reviewed
E-Emrgency procedures memorized
D-Don't take off until you've ensured that all checklists are completed
If you do the above, you're always going to be ok!!
H-Heading Indicator
U-Undercarriage handle down
F-Frequency for departure is correct
F-Frequency for the first NAVAID selected
B-Beacon on
A-Airspeed Indicator Zero's
S-Seatbelts On and secured
E-Emergency Briefing completed
D-Doors closed
H-Hands on Yoke
I-Inside lighting as neccesary
G-Gauges for gas verified
H-Headset plugged in securely
O-Outside lighting as neccesary
N-No Other Planes On Runway
S-Strobes on
P-Position Lights On
E-Exit plan reviewed
E-Emrgency procedures memorized
D-Don't take off until you've ensured that all checklists are completed
If you do the above, you're always going to be ok!!
GreenDayPilot
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we do a lot of stuff more than once to double check, so yeah, we do a lot of this stuff in the runup area... theses guys are going straight from a bonanza to a boeing or airbus, so we have to be real strict on all the procedures.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Yea...saw that on the news tonight. They said that only one guy was in the tower and that he gave the Comair flt. taxi instructions and then turned away to do administrative tower duties totally forgeting to watch the flight as it taxi'd on to the wrong runway.
Also their reporting that the surviving co-pilot is the one who was taxiing the plane,tghis according to the CVR tapes. I believe the tiller is on the captains side so not sure what to make of it...
Controlers Union Rep:
FAA Rep:
From the ATC'rs here, what responsibilities do you have once they are clrd to taxi-T/O?
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
I'd seen a report the FO was the PF - but there's no way he was taxing the plane because:
a) that's just not SOP
b) they couldn't have made the turn from the taxiway to the runway on rudder control alone - and as you believe only the captain has a tiller.
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