Learjet 60 crash in West Palm Beach

MikeD said:
Pilots rush the recovery and accept sloppiness. Asymmetric G loading is bad enough in fighter jets, but worse in fatty jets that aren’t designed for even moderate symmetrical G loading, much less asymmetrical. It’s a good way to unintentionally bend or break things off of your aircraft during a nose low recovery, which will only make your manageable situation worse,


If I were king for a day, I’d have all fixed wing pilots go through a mild centrifuge training profile, probably to about 3.5-4Gs tops, just to experience what that weight loading feels like.
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"I just press the red button and wait for the airplane to stop yellnig at me..." - Random new Vision Jet pilot.
 
jtrain609 said:
I wouldn't hang out in those conditions in any aircraft, but @Kingairer has a point that it could have been ice crystals.
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If I had to hang my hat on a hunch, this + loss of airspeed recovery = Mach tuck on a Mach-critical wing. tail came off while trying to pull out of the tuck event with full power on it. Power stayed on; the plane went fast into the ground. The impact is strikingly similar to other Mach tuck events in the 40/60 series.

But thats a guess... it does stick with the ice crystals... kind of like AF447.
 
Itchy said:
So does the 60 have electric heat on the stab or not? Was it an option? I ask because I have seen some folks say it does, and some say it doesn’t.
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It did not on all 3 Lear 60s I flew. Whether it was an option, I have no clue. It was told, as described above, as not needed due to aerodynamics, according to the schoolhouses I attended.
 
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NovemberEcho said:
I wish we didn’t allow streaming live ATC coms like the rest of the world. Although tbf more than once I have gone to live ATC to see if I messed up or the pilot messed up lol
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Accountability and visibility both suck, but, lead to a better product at the end of the day.

The social media armchair QB’ing is what makes it less tolerable.

If only it was like Reddit where some subs require verification before you a spout off Dan Gryder style theories.
 
Stone Cold said:
It duds not on all 3 Lear 60s I flew. Whether it was an option, I have no clue. It was told, as described above, as not needed due to aerodynamics, according to the schoolhouses I attended.
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It seems that via certification testing, we’ve discovered that it’s not really needed on a lot of airplanes I don’t think many of the new ones have it. I don’t think think I’ve flown one with tailplane protection since the Q400 in 2012.

That airplane was a gigantic POS though, and bombardier products seem to have issues with ice- so I’m not surprised.
 
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