Learjet 60 crash in West Palm Beach

[DropTank]

It seems the larger the plane the less likely it is to have anti-ice on the tail.

Generally, yes.
For the speed we fly, the thicker the airfoil, the less likely icing will accumulate on said surface.

(Note, this is a VAST generalization and subject to a million other factors)

 

[tcco94]

Kinda makes me wonder about the DL 330 that flew into a cell SLC-AMS (got misled by ATC on info, initially asked for the right way to avoid it and ATC told em to go another way that put em right in it).

Severe turbulence +/- 1000FPM. Wrecked the whole inside of the plane. Anyways my question is how much more structural testing is in an airliner vs a private jet. Similar to the hijacked 737 going to Isreal. Multiple incidents with some crazy G loads but able to land safely. I understand bigger planes and the physics beyond that, but I am just having a hard time understanding how a cell relatively small in size (but growing) could rip this thing apart basically. They were just bouncing around that close to overspeed, the icing comment/text how bad was it really… improper recovery…

Unless the consensus we are going with is overspeed, Mach tuck, unable to recover and boom stab ripped off. I just want to know, as does everyone else I’m sure, what caused the first dive because after that seems a lot easier to understand in my head. I’m sure same goes for many in here but the whole thing has me spooked with curiosity and my biggest fear is like someone said previously, we may never find out the real answer.

 

[DropTank]

Unless the consensus we are going with is overspeed, Mach tuck, unable to recover and boom stab ripped off. I just want to know, as does everyone else I’m sure, what caused the first dive because after that seems a lot easier to understand in my head. I’m sure same goes for many in here but the whole thing has me spooked with curiosity and my biggest fear is like someone said previously, we may never find out the real answer.

My GUESS is:
Icing first (made the envelope collapse)
Stall (AOA or Shock Stall, not sure) ((possibly oscillation between the two))
Overspeed
Structural failure (stab separation)

I didn't put "improper recovery" because in that state, there may not have been a proper recovery.

 

[derg]

Are Engine and wing automatic?

My airbus familiarity is the A300, so not real airbus.


It seems the larger the plane the less likely it is to have anti-ice on the tail.

A300 and 767 don’t have it. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen the wing anti-ice used in either except maybe once or twice in 11 years on either.

Oddly… No. I wish! One thing the Jurrassic Jet (767) had that we don’t.

 

[A150K]

Ok after a few nights I can to come back to this post.

First off, thanks to those that reached out to me...those 12 hours after the incident wrecked me emotionally. I called off my next two legs and went home. I was driving myself crazy with "what if" scenarios and fleeting mortality questions non stop.

We were already on with Miami Center when N722BD checked on. I'm sure most have heard the transcript, I refuse to listen to it. I've heard hundreds of accident CVR's but to actually hear it live happening was something I just never thought I was going to experience. Not to mention a young girl only 13 years older than my own.

Full honesty when the her voice came over the radio in distress, there was a moment where this can't be real. I can't possibly be hearing what I'm hearing, a distressed airplane in real time??? Then the panicked voice of them going over 20,000 ft/min and that moment of we are going to live this girls final moments

(I know there was the other pilot and the passengers but we were hearing HER voice)

The Captain both looked at each other and we're in utter disbelief. After her 10,000 ft call we knew it was over...the radio frequency seemed to just stop as if everyone on frequency was realizing the same thing instantly. ATC asked a recently checked on Delta to broadcast on 121.5, so for the next 3 minutes we listened to a call for N722BD that we knew would never answer back.

We changed frequencies shortly after and now for the next 2 hours we had to sit there are contemplate what we just heard. We briefed that approach into Punta Cana 3 times because we kept forgetting that we did it. I barely remember getting to the hotel, I was a shell, just reliving the moments in my head. I didn't sleep that night.

I go to upgrade next month and then at 5 am realized that this girl was just building time, there's a chance she could have been my FO in 5 years...I lost it and called out.

Fast forward a day and I'm doing much better, I've spoken to Project Wingman (Americans Pilot support program)

I share this because I know there are dozen of other pilots that heard the same thing and will have vastly different responses to it. Some will go on like it's another Monday, others more extreme.

My point it use the resources that your company/union have and don't be scared to ask for help.

Adam

I couldn't even imagine. Just the audio caused me to tear up and I cry like once a decade if that. You did the right thing removing yourself.....glad you made use of Project Wingman. I'm also AA and have heard good things about the program.