MTV's The Real World Guy and DEI Hiring

I’m under the impression that RTP/RTAG has slowed a lot, possibly to a halt. I also don’t know of any people hired with R-ATP even during the big hiring surge, though I’m sure that there were. Probably just my sample group, as it was quite rare for someone in my community to be eligible to leave active duty and not also have the 1500 hrs or better. But I’d very much imagine R-ATP is a non-starter aside from maybe the regionals. I know the younger active duty guys i work with who are around 1500 hrs haven’t been getting calls. That’s a change from a couple-three-five years ago.

Very true. My understanding is the target employers for mil R-ATP were regional carriers by pilots with low fixed wing hours (Army warrant) to time build some multi fixed wing for the next step of the career.
 
I’m under the impression that RTP/RTAG has slowed a lot, possibly to a halt. I also don’t know of any people hired with R-ATP even during the big hiring surge, though I’m sure that there were. Probably just my sample group, as it was quite rare for someone in my community to be eligible to leave active duty and not also have the 1500 hrs or better. But I’d very much imagine R-ATP is a non-starter aside from maybe the regionals. I know the younger active duty guys i work with who are around 1500 hrs haven’t been getting calls. That’s a change from a couple-three-five years ago.
The regionals were festooned therewith.
 
I only have two years left til involuntary retirement due to my passport anyway, heh.

I signed the affidavit and they haven’t reverted mine yet. I honestly think they’ve forgotten about that for now. Plus they’ve moved on to more insidious ways at removing undesirables that denying gender marker changes is no longer cruel enough to meet their desires.

How do I jump to a different timeline again?
 
Very true. My understanding is the target employers for mil R-ATP were regional carriers by pilots with low fixed wing hours (Army warrant) to time build some multi fixed wing for the next step of the career.
I still feel that helicopters and airplanes are so different that you might as well be allowing LCAC time. A military helicopter pilot and a civilian airline job are just so totally different worlds. Im sure flying the helicopter takes more skill, but its just totally different and I wouldnt count but a small percentage of that time if it were up to me, which it isnt.
 
Hot contrarian take incoming:


This is, of course, political posturing by the admin, not sure why they are choosing right now to do this again. However, I dont really know why anyone would want DEI programs anymore. I feel like we're fighting battles of yesteryear. I listened to a pretty lengthy podcast with Congressman Wesley Hunt (ex Army Apache driver), and it changed some of my feelings on this. Everyone says "squadron buddies," etc, but aren't there many POC who are in fact those buddies, so by saying so, you are excluding them? I also feel like having any sort of programs like this only hurts those who make it, because it makes them easy targets for "see, DEI" types. I've had more experiences with passengers coming up, when flying with a female pilot, say "so glad to see you up here", "or feel better knowing you're up here", or something like that, than I have the other way. I look around my neighborhood, id say a rather affluent suburb of a major hub city in the south, and it is extremely racially diverse, mexican, african-americans, indians, white etc...Why should one of their kids born to loving caring parents, get any sort of start on some kid born in a trailer up in a WV mountain holler born to parents on meth? I just think we've come along way since the 1970s age and most of those type of pilots are gone or one foot out the door.... Just do away with it all I say.
 
I am not sure what I find more confusing. The idea that people question why DEI still exists, or the fact that they can't see that DEI has always existed, but that it only became a problem when DEI included non-white people...

This idea of "the most qualified" is meaningless and silly. What does most qualified mean? Most hours? Most life experience? Most relevant work experience? Hardest working? Most jet types?
 
It's really just people of color and women that will be targeted. Trump is all about numbers. He will push to show his constituents that he has found a large number of people of color and women that are "unqualified" to be pilots. They truly don't care about qualifications. They just care about numbers and appearances.
Pretty much sums up his deportation fiasco.....
 
Rules for thee and not for me. If we used merit based hiring for government MAGA wouldn’t even exist. They are the least qualified to do their jobs out of anyone in any capacity.

Bondi was 14 when she was rubbing up against Trump at Mar A Lago, and was the AG of FL when Epstein was at his worst. She is literally DEI by every stretch of the word.
 
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Pro Publica is a non- profit organization set up for investigative journalism. They partner with about 100 different news organizations. They started in 2008 and have won 9 Pulitzers or so. They are more credible than any of the news you accidentally consume when you pull your head out of the sand.

Show me where that happens. Give me data.

I'm just so excited to see CCs anecdotal example of somebody who got hired and had 25 extra sims, 150 hours of OE, and has failed every recurrent. All because they were a DEI hire.

So is your argument that DPEs/APDs are pushing unqualified applicants though checkrides to feed a made up narrative?

Both examples you gave, those pilots were qualified. You can retrain to standard, and pass the standard. 🤷.

Welcome to AQP bud!



No.



The point is, the FAA will ALWAYS say everyone is held to the same standard (correct, airman practical test standards), and that everyone was properly certificated and qualified.


But that’s meaningless when you can literally fail an unlimited amount of times, still train to pass what you kept failing, and then one day pass.


And they’re no different than you or I.



Let’s look at doctors, specifically US MLEs.


Went from 6 down to 4 failures for attempts…


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Pilots need the same thing. THEN being licensed and qualified actually means something.

Pilots achieve the same thing. There is literally ZERO regulatory metric for how long training takes or what deficiencies are allowed during training.

The last person to graduate from medical school is still called Doctor. When you see a doctor, you have no idea how many times they failed their panel, or how many classes they had to repeat in medical school.
 
Pilots need the same thing. THEN being licensed and qualified actually means something.

I don't know, from some of your admittedly poor reading in one thread, to serious ethical challenges conflating sexual assault to intercourse between consenting adults, I really don't want you making any serious decisions on anything.

Not trying to be insulting, just protective of my livelihood.
 
What med school is equivalent to JetU?

At least jetU taught high altitude aerodynamics - no doubt brought on by 3701.

Yet long after jetU closed you still had pilots at Skywest stalling and getting low speed events numerous times they were limited to some crazy low altitude (like FL270). Ask Skywest guys at the time some of those stories.
 
Pilots achieve the same thing. There is literally ZERO regulatory metric for how long training takes or what deficiencies are allowed during training.

The last person to graduate from medical school is still called Doctor. When you see a doctor, you have no idea how many times they failed their panel, or how many classes they had to repeat in medical school.

They had 4 tries to pass the USMLE. After that’s its bust.


Pilots literally have no ceiling of those failures.
 
I don't know, from some of your admittedly poor reading in one thread, to serious ethical challenges conflating sexual assault to intercourse between consenting adults, I really don't want you making any serious decisions on anything.

Not trying to be insulting, just protective of my livelihood.

You’re free to book on your own airline then. But hey, that goes against the whole argument here about “certificated and qualified.”
 
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