arkflyr
Well-Known Member
Those sons of • should be burnt.
PSA CRJ-700 AA midair collision
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
So now hating on GArpies is cool?
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
They’ve figured out a work around with the “super Charlie’s”.
“Grew up” in GA, and have been a staunch defender for most of my life, but the big money has moved it and it’s become really, really tiresome.
Even reading the EAA mag these days, every single article is about some resto that cost money way beyond a reasonable expense, even for the JC crowd, or the people doing it are juiced in with the right people. That • gets old to read about. Shops and hangars are saturated with people whose coin has outstripped the downward sloping supply, and the resulting price escalation will never outstrip them like it has most of us.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
LOL at pilots deciding that because they decided they only want to fly into busy Metropolitans at work and all GA fields under Bravo should be shut down.
Yeah, good luck with that. Some of us plan to fly GA forever regardless of getting paid to do it and live in Metropolitans, and will always defend it. I've never caused an RA in my life as far as I know, but sure, why should I be allowed to exist in the sky when SFO is a few nm away? Airplanes are for commerce rabble rabble GA flying risks my career so I don't do it rabble rabble planes are work not fun, I guess.
Last I checked, there aren't VFR corridors taking Cessnas 200ft past runways at major airports. Leave it to pilots to hate on pilots. You know how you get good at VFR Class B flying? By flying VFR in Class B.
Yeah, good luck with that. Some of us plan to fly GA forever regardless of getting paid to do it and live in Metropolitans, and will always defend it. I've never caused an RA in my life as far as I know, but sure, why should I be allowed to exist in the sky when SFO is a few nm away? Airplanes are for commerce rabble rabble GA flying risks my career so I don't do it rabble rabble planes are work not fun, I guess.
Last I checked, there aren't VFR corridors taking Cessnas 200ft past runways at major airports. Leave it to pilots to hate on pilots. You know how you get good at VFR Class B flying? By flying VFR in Class B.
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Flying and AOPA magazines were close to that kind of cultural level. As opposed to plane mags like Air Progress, which seemed more down to earth.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Some of the most prominent midair’s in the USA have been with GArpies.
PSA 182 called the GArpie insight, BUT, the GArpie also did not follow his ATC assigned heading. Had he done so, the collision wouldn’t have happened.
Aeromexico 498, caused by some clueless GArpie who had no clue where he was going and busted into the TCA.
Every RA I’ve had when holding has been a GArpie just flying along fat dumb and happy at the +500 VFR altitude. Eg, I’m at 7000 so he’s at 6,500. What is his altimeter setting? When did he set it last time? Has it been updated for where he is at this moment? And is he actually holding 6,500 on the nose? (Narrator: He was not).
Of all the pilots out there, I trust GArpies the least. The least amount of rules, standards, and people who don’t fly for a living and who knows who often they fly to be competent today.
roundout
VNAV monitor
Wait
Used to get airliners cleared direct above the top of the MOA we would be inside of working lower level. Doing a maintenance check flight in my jet, was doing a loop with an entry speed of 550+ kts. On the climb portion, it apparently set off an RA on some airliner crossing far above, even though I was about 14,000+ ft below the airliner. Their TCAS saw the momentary 30,000+ fpm climb rate of the target below it, heading straight upward, not knowing I was doing a loop, and apparently issued an TA and RA to the crew sitting fat/dumb/happy in level cruise.
Freaking MiLpie….
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I mean, there’s also history of MILpies taking out airliners. The banana DC9 (Hughes Airwest) out of LAX and the fighter jet as an example.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
I'm 200% on board with reforming airspace, but let's keep the airports open, mmmkay? Just because some of you did nothing but train in small planes doesn't mean some of us have don't more use for them lol. Freedom. Cawwwwww (that's a red tail hawk sound being dubbed for a bald eagle, the American way.)
CFI A&P
Exploring the world one toilet at a time.
Sounds like VNY. The miss on ILS Z 16R requires you to manage altitude at or below 1,750’ until 1.5 DME from the VOR because of traffic to BUR on an approach for RWY 08.
I wonder what the normal rate/year of RA’s in the radius of an airport?
But at home point, it appears either that corridor needs to be adjusted or the CTL needs to go away.
Which isn’t difficult for a short final go around from over the river on short final. Anything earlier; and it’s just maneuvering around where tower tells you to within their airspace.
“AA1234, going around”
“AA1234, remain below 500’ until until the 33 approach end, then climb and maintain 1,500…..”
then either “join left downwind for runway 1”; or fly runway heading, change to departure”.
Nothing exceptionally difficult.
That, or even restrict traffic on that river route when CTL to 33 is being used. I’m not sure if that was on the ATIS as being used normal-ops on this day, or if it was a last minute play call by the tower for this one airliner?
Minuteman
I HAVE STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT AUTOMOTIVE LIGHTING!
Brother…
One a month sounded not nearly as impressive as the fact of apparently no mitigations for more than a decade.
An airport with converging approaches to close parallel runways, or arrivals/departures FLCHing outside the corners of a Class B shelf right where VFR traffic is getting around the airspace can go brrrr.
Lawman
Well-Known Member
Now plug the same level of diligence in historic analytical analysis of all the other airspace out there and see what we didn’t realize what was going on as normal ops…
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