USS Harry S. Truman Collision

///AMG said:
If one is selected for major command at sea, yes, you can submit your preference, subject to needs of the navy. CVN CO has been the less popular route, I'd guess probably because it generally does not involve flying for the better part of a decade. DCAG/CAG tour is a flying tour, and is much more directly aviation related. I know in the last few years, there have been several guys who have selected the CVN (called AVN) track against their wishes, and have just retired instead. So a long way of saying, it is sort of chosen for you in some cases.
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What’s the progression for CVN skipper? Is it little ship XO, carrier XO, carrier CO?
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I would imagine that speaking out against deficiencies in the chain of command is not well-received or career enhancing, perhaps even less career-enhancing than running aground, having an allision or collision?
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Depends how one does it. There are ways to and means to make things happen in this way, but they can require some careful and deliberate navigation.
 
And she is back out to sea launching and recovering aircraft as of today. Assuming back to the Red Sea.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
What’s the progression for CVN skipper? Is it little ship XO, carrier XO, carrier CO?
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Like JEP said, they start out at nuke power school, and I believe some sort of dog and pony show year surrounding that. But the first job is CVN XO, then you go to "deep draft" CO tour (normally a large non-combatant like a support ship), and then finally CVN CO. Like I said, from start to finish, it's about a decade, starting within the year you finish your squadron XO/CO/O-5 command tour.
 
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///AMG said:
Like JEP said, they start out at nuke power school, and I believe some sort of dog and pony show year surrounding that. But the first job is CVN XO, then you go to "deep draft" CO tour (normally a large non-combatant like a support ship), and then finally CVN CO. Like I said, from start to finish, it's about a decade, starting within the year you finish your squadron XO/CO/O-5 command tour.
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That’s right, I remembered it wasn’t two XO tours and two CO tours. Had a family friend that ran a CVA aground while CO. He wasn’t relieved but didn’t get his star.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
That’s right, I remembered it wasn’t two XO tours and two CO tours. Had a family friend that ran a CVA aground while CO. He wasn’t relieved but didn’t get his star.
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As long as that is… it’s 10 years of what is effectively being, “the boss.”

Command is still in the signature line of pretty much ever email that person sends for a decade. I know several O6s that would give anything to have that life over a decade long quest for their star that involves leading teams or departments in some nameless wing of the Sparkman center or Pentagon hallway.


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Lawman said:
As long as that is… it’s 10 years of what is effectively being, “the boss.”

Command is still in the signature line of pretty much ever email that person sends for a decade. I know several O6s that would give anything to have that life over a decade long quest for their star that involves leading teams or departments in some nameless wing of the Sparkman center or Pentagon hallway.


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And that is certainly the main reason it is pretty understood to be a "star" maker job. We don't do everything right, but it is a pretty solid OJT for one day holding flag level assignments I'd think
 
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Side note, we (all reserve squadron CO/XO's) had a teams meet with our admiral, the chief of naval reserve air forces, and it was kind of interesting. Lots of selling people on sticking around for O-6 and Flag. I've heard our jobs nearly guarantee O-6 promotions, since contrary to the AD side, most are just looking to retire at 20 rather than start working for free for another 5-10-15 years. The retirement juice is nice at 25 year O-6 pay, but I don't know if that juice is worth the squeeze. It would definitely be staff work, probably MOC or a NALE somewhere, gone from home a ton and also gone from my civilian life a lot. They did tack on that they expect 2027 to be a bad year for the airlines/economy, and that this is a real great fall back. I'm not sure if 48 IDTs and 2 weeks of AT is that great, but I guess during a war, it would probably be full mobilization/AD recall/ADOS time. Who knows.
 
///AMG said:
Side note, we (all reserve squadron CO/XO's) had a teams meet with our admiral, the chief of naval reserve air forces, and it was kind of interesting. Lots of selling people on sticking around for O-6 and Flag. I've heard our jobs nearly guarantee O-6 promotions, since contrary to the AD side, most are just looking to retire at 20 rather than start working for free for another 5-10-15 years. The retirement juice is nice at 25 year O-6 pay, but I don't know if that juice is worth the squeeze. It would definitely be staff work, probably MOC or a NALE somewhere, gone from home a ton and also gone from my civilian life a lot. They did tack on that they expect 2027 to be a bad year for the airlines/economy, and that this is a real great fall back. I'm not sure if 48 IDTs and 2 weeks of AT is that great, but I guess during a war, it would probably be full mobilization/AD recall/ADOS time. Who knows.
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My AF reserve squadron is literally down the flightline from my primary job, about 4 hangars down. And yet, it still became a real pain in the butt to balance the two. To the point where when I became retirement eligible years-wise, with significant points from my AD time as well as reserve activations, I made the decision to retire from it. Staying was more pain than it was worth, even with being on the list for O-6. Because there were only two O-6 positions locally for the reserve, meaning I’d have to find one elsewhere, which would involve commuting to it, for 3 years to be able to retire in-grade. None of those last three items sounded appealing. At all. So….papers went in.
 
MikeD said:
My AF reserve squadron is literally down the flightline from my primary job, about 4 hangars down. And yet, it still became a real pain in the butt to balance the two. To the point where when I became retirement eligible years-wise, with significant points from my AD time as well as reserve activations, I made the decision to retire from it. Staying was more pain than it was worth, even with being on the list for O-6. Because there were only two O-6 positions locally for the reserve, meaning I’d have to find one elsewhere, which would involve commuting to it, for 3 years to be able to retire in-grade. None of those last three items sounded appealing. At all. So….papers went in.
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Wise words I imagine. Even my O6 quasi made up boss has told me "don't do what I did", and he is about as much of a Kool aide drinker as they come.
 
///AMG said:
Side note, we (all reserve squadron CO/XO's) had a teams meet with our admiral, the chief of naval reserve air forces, and it was kind of interesting. Lots of selling people on sticking around for O-6 and Flag. I've heard our jobs nearly guarantee O-6 promotions, since contrary to the AD side, most are just looking to retire at 20 rather than start working for free for another 5-10-15 years. The retirement juice is nice at 25 year O-6 pay, but I don't know if that juice is worth the squeeze. It would definitely be staff work, probably MOC or a NALE somewhere, gone from home a ton and also gone from my civilian life a lot. They did tack on that they expect 2027 to be a bad year for the airlines/economy, and that this is a real great fall back. I'm not sure if 48 IDTs and 2 weeks of AT is that great, but I guess during a war, it would probably be full mobilization/AD recall/ADOS time. Who knows.
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That’s the secret on active duty nobody is allowed to acknowledge… that we are “exercising staffs” except that we don’t have the actual people we will have if the glass has to be broken.

Something like 40% of the HQ staff I was just operating with is augmented by the reserves/guard in a conflict. The real question becomes when is conflict so likely we start cutting orders and will those orders put people in seats early enough to actually do something.


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