Honda jet crash KFFZ, 5 fatal

Fatalities in/out and near FFZ are more common than they should be, but it's one of the busiest GA airports in the country so I guess it comes with the territory. I was in the pattern back in 2016ish when a T6 crashed on takeoff trying to make the impossible turn.

A light jet crash is intense though. Looks like the jet was registered locally too.
 
FlyingAccountant said:
Fatalities in/out and near FFZ are more common than they should be, but it's one of the busiest GA airports in the country so I guess it comes with the territory. I was in the pattern back in 2016ish when a T6 crashed on takeoff trying to make the impossible turn.

A light jet crash is intense though. Looks like the jet was registered locally too.
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I can think of more than a fair number of crashes into the southwest orange grove off of 22L there
 
FlyingAccountant said:

View: https://youtu.be/KDiCLyMz3vY?si=OF2qQ2Gjcc9Bg4r-


Pretty interesting exchange.
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With the busy pattern, it appears the tower controller was paying attention to the approach end of the 22s once he launched the HondaJet, and the traffic in both patterns there. Didn’t see the smoke/fire until the prompt by the other aircraft to look at the departure end of the runway.

Good thing is Mesa fire station 205 is right there at the southwest corner of the airport, south of the CAF museum, maybe 1/2 mile from the impact site, if even.
 
MikeD said:
With the busy pattern, it appears the tower controller was paying attention to the approach end of the 22s once he launched the HondaJet, and the traffic in both patterns there. Didn’t see the smoke/fire until the prompt by the other aircraft to look at the departure end of the runway.

Good thing is Mesa fire station 205 is right there at the southwest corner of the airport, south of the CAF museum, maybe 1/2 mile from the impact site, if even.
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Yeah, it sounds like the ARFF guys were on it almost immediately. Good on them.
 
Wardogg said:
Abort above V1?
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That's what it sounds like, according to eyewitness reports. ADSB states they topped out at 133 KIAS, which is well above Vr for a Honda Jet, so it'll be interesting to see why they tried to abort. Flight control issue, maybe? Failure to remove gust locks?

It seems this was the first fatal crash for a Honda Jet too.
 
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FlyingAccountant said:
That's what it sounds like, according to eyewitness reports. ADSB states they topped out at 133 KIAS, which is well above Vr for a Honda Jet, so it'll be interesting to see why they tried to abort. Flight control issue, maybe? Failure to remove gust locks?

It seems this was the first fatal crash for a Honda Jet too.
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Which is wild considering the HJ holds first place in running off the runway. Probably the last airplane I would pick if I had to do a RTO.

Of the 30 incidents listed here, 25 of them are over runs.

Aviation Safety Network > > ASN Aviation Safety Database results

Aviation Safety Network: Aviation Safety Network: Databases containing descriptions of over 11000 airliner write-offs, hijackings and military aircraft accidents.
asn.flightsafety.org
 
T/O w/FSII said:
Which is wild considering the HJ holds first place in running off the runway. Probably the last airplane I would pick if I had to do a RTO.

Of the 30 incidents listed here, 25 of them are over runs.

Aviation Safety Network > > ASN Aviation Safety Database results

Aviation Safety Network: Aviation Safety Network: Databases containing descriptions of over 11000 airliner write-offs, hijackings and military aircraft accidents.
asn.flightsafety.org
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I think RTO picks you comrade…
 
Yikes :(

Always sad to see a fatal hull loss, and even more so if lives on the ground are taken out.



I’ll reserve my comments for later, but I have a feeling and not a good one.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Yikes :(

Always sad to see a fatal hull loss, and even more so if lives on the ground are taken out.



I’ll reserve my comments for later, but I have a feeling and not a good one.
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I know how badly you want to scream “corpses going to corp” or “owners going to…own”

But when you gotta slam on the brakes in an airplane that his a pretty significant and historically bad brake problem, it really doesn’t matter who’s up front.

The airplane has a very small contact patch due to the small tires, no reversers, a touchy anti skid and a speed brake that doesn’t dump lift…well…it ain’t going to stop well.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
I know how badly you want to scream “corpses going to corp” or “owners going to…own”

But when you gotta slam on the brakes in an airplane that his a pretty significant and historically bad brake problem, it really doesn’t matter who’s up front.

The airplane has a very small contact patch due to the small tires, no reversers, a touchy anti skid and a speed brake that doesn’t dump lift…well…it ain’t going to stop well.
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It’s Corpie gonna Corp.



“Corpses gonna Corp” is just dark.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
I know how badly you want to scream “corpses going to corp” or “owners going to…own”

But when you gotta slam on the brakes in an airplane that his a pretty significant and historically bad brake problem, it really doesn’t matter who’s up front.

The airplane has a very small contact patch due to the small tires, no reversers, a touchy anti skid and a speed brake that doesn’t dump lift…well…it ain’t going to stop well.
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Weird how all these little jets with no TRs keep going off roading.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
The original Phenom 100 didn’t even have speed brakes. They got some little dinky ones on the wing now after it held 1st place for overruns until the Honda came along. The Honda doesn’t even have them on the wing.
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These were almost exclusively pilot error incidents.
 
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