Oh Boeing, again, again...

MikeD said:
Looks like they queried tower if they could roll to the end, presumably for a quicker gate arrival? Tower approved it if they could keep their speed up, likely for minimum time on the runway.
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I was always taught the whole runway is mine until I vacate. No problem with advising tower that I’m using the whole runway, but I don’t have to ask.
 
MikeD said:
Looks like they queried tower if they could roll to the end, presumably for a quicker gate arrival? Tower approved it if they could keep their speed up, likely forminimum time on the run
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It is frustrating when you look at an airport diagram and see how meaningless these extra 20 seconds of savings wouldve been.
 
mwflyer said:
I was always taught the whole runway is mine until I vacate. No problem with advising tower that I’m using the whole runway, but I don’t have to ask.
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This is true, within reason. I mean (as an extreme example), landing and slowing to 10 knots, then rolling to whatever runway exit you feel like 5000 feet further down and forcing go arounds of traffic in trail, would be unreasonable. I think the crew here was likely asking as a courtesy to see if they would potentially be jamming up anyone behind them….perhaps even their own company traffic….so was asking if their desire would even be reasonable. Tower seems to have told them fine, but don’t dilly dally (paraphrasing). Whether they rushed themselves or were just late in slowing or through they were slow enough already, or whether there was even some kind of unrelated material failure of some type with the landing gear prior to it folding, will have to be figured out in the investigation. Or, it may already be known.

These kind of situations make me miss the days of only needing 3000 feet distance between touchdown and rollout or touch and go traffic ahead on the runway.
 
NovemberEcho said:
They seriously need remedial training about US procedures before they fly here. I’d say 1 out of 3 checks in with me level at 7,000 between 290-320kts because that’s what center assigned them.
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They pretty much meme’d themselves by not just hauling ass below 10k all the time but consistently being belligerent/argumentative about it.

The other good one was Mexicana in socal. Apparently they’d miss crossing restrictions frequently, and one response to “Mexicana are you going to make xxx at yyy?” was “sometimes we do….sometimes we don’t!”
 
NovemberEcho said:
They seriously need remedial training about US procedures before they fly here. I’d say 1 out of 3 checks in with me level at 7,000 between 290-320kts because that’s what center assigned them.
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Got to watch that weird 4 engined thing of theirs go around in SEA recently, they must have annoyed every person in the entire south puget sound. Prob sped back up to 300 on right downwind to see if they could do the same thing again :)
 
zmiller4 said:
The other good one was Mexicana in socal. Apparently they’d miss crossing restrictions frequently, and one response to “Mexicana are you going to make xxx at yyy?” was “sometimes we do….sometimes we don’t!”
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Ya know, I’d have to let it slide after that lol
 
MikeD said:
This is true, within reason. I mean (as an extreme example), landing and slowing to 10 knots, then rolling to whatever runway exit you feel like 5000 feet further down and forcing go arounds of traffic in trail, would be unreasonable.
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Ah, the military model of the air traffic social contract: they can’t make you do anything; they can only make you wish you had done something.
 
zmiller4 said:
Do you guys have competitions so see how fast you can get Lufthansa to go below 10k?

“Lufthansa say airspeed”

“Ve vere to maintain 320 nots!”
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The ironic part is Germany is absolutely incensed if we ask for a high speed climb. Everywhere else in the world lets us accelerate to clean speed, but not Germany. Then, their crews come over and bust our speed restrictions regularly.
 
Stone Cold said:
The ironic part is Germany is absolutely incensed if we ask for a high speed climb. Everywhere else in the world lets us accelerate to clean speed, but not Germany. Then their crews come over and bust our speed restrictions with abandon.
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German ATC is hilarious. It’s a weird melange of micromanagement or anything goes.
 
Too close to the subject at hand to pass by. Read the facts and make your own determination. This is the story of the death of 32 year Boeing employee and Quality Manager on the 787 line and most recently, whistleblower, John Barnett.

www.postandcourier.com

Who was Boeing whistleblower John Barnett, the man found dead outside a Charleston hotel?

The retired Boeing Co. quality manager found dead in his car was a family-focused man with Louisiana roots.
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www.live5news.com

‘A brave, honest man’: Boeing whistleblower’s attorneys release statement on his death

The Charleston police department has shared more details into the death of a former Boeing employee who raised concerns about the company’s production standards.
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