Oh Boeing, again, again...

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

On a side note, never let a tragedy go to waste. If I may be so callous, this is a good opportunity to buy BA.

When the pandemic happened BA dropped to sub $100. Popped to over $200 about a year later.

Then in 2022 it went down to 120ish. I ended up buying 200 shares at $124 for a $25k investment. It popped to $233 when I sold it. Despite the hefty profit, I used 100% of that gain to write off a BABA loss. (Yes, Im an idiot).

Now BA is at $183. This would be a decent entry point. Let’s be honest, this is all going to settle down, and BA will be kicking back above $200. Betting on BA is like betting on American space, military, and commercial congolomerate. It’s not like Airbus can just dump thousands of extra planes for all airlines that have a MAX order.

Bottom line, the MAX is here, it’s here to stay, and BA will come out fine in the future. Now is the time to invest BA.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

I agree with this article:

‘Criminal focus’ on Boeing’s conduct around the blowout of a 737 Max 9 door plug was ‘completely wrong’, head of international airline groups says | Fortune

The probe “risks pushing people back into a period when we didn’t have as open a culture in terms of reporting,” the IATA head said.

fortune.com

 

[Minuteman]

Bottom line, the MAX is here, it’s here to stay, and BA will come out fine in the future. Now is the time to invest BA.

Not if we bust it up and nationalize some parts because the management was a threat to commerce.

 

[form810]

Reported gear collapse of a United 737 MAX 8 today at IAH.

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So, just so I'm clear, by your thread title, you're assuming the gear collapse was Boeing's fault?? (I know NOTHING about this situation. Still...)

 

[form810]

Crash Rescue got to use their stair truck for once!

LUV this! @VALIDATION!

 

[form810]

didn't a wheel from a UA 777 fall off during TO at LAX also?

When you wrench, there aren't, er, many hard philosophical rules... But there ARE a few. One of those few is that BOLTS are your friend; Don't forget any or take off without them!

We could ALL learn a lot from a good Wrench!

 

[MikeD]

LUV this! @VALIDATION!

There’s a good number of large airport crash rescue units that have a stair truck as one of their vehicles. They never really ever get to use them, less than even the crash trucks themselves. So being able to use it here, was indeed validation! Haha.

 

[///AMG]

Now BA is at $183. This would be a decent entry point. Let’s be honest, this is all going to settle down, and BA will be kicking back above $200. Betting on BA is like betting on American space, military, and commercial congolomerate.

BA was at $260 in mid December. I'm most likely going to buy more if this continues. Quite honestly, defense and space could carry the company (and have). But BCA really needs to figure things out. This should be a come to Jesus moment, beyond just "lets focus on quality" rabble rabble from executives. They need to put their money where their mouths are. And oh yeah, they need to design a new airplane appropriate to the 21st century that answers to customer demand. If they want to see values shoot through the roof, and happy shareholders, those are the two ingredients required. What they have been doing is not working.

 

[SeanD]

Does Boeing currently have an all new design for a narrow body in the works? I haven’t seen anything. I know they are beefing up the 777 but how about something completely new.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

Does Boeing currently have an all new design for a narrow body in the works? I haven’t seen anything. I know they are beefing up the 777 but how about something completely new.

2030's...

 

[SeanD]

2030's...

Jesus, do they really have that long? I imagine there are still plenty of pending lawsuits and likely more to come.

 

[Burrito]

Does Boeing currently have an all new design for a narrow body in the works? I haven’t seen anything. I know they are beefing up the 777 but how about something completely new.

Don't be a 737, don't be a 737, don't be a 737 . . . . . . .

 

[SeanD]

Don't be a 737, don't be a 737, don't be a 737 . . . . . . .

We are proud to introduce our 737 Ultra Super Max 1000.

 

[arkflyr]

They are working with NASA on the X-66 or transonic truss braced wing concept. Boeing's CEO has said that there won't be anything new until at least 2035.

 

[🦈💜]

I agree with this article:

‘Criminal focus’ on Boeing’s conduct around the blowout of a 737 Max 9 door plug was ‘completely wrong’, head of international airline groups says | Fortune

The probe “risks pushing people back into a period when we didn’t have as open a culture in terms of reporting,” the IATA head said.

fortune.com

For the record, I fully agree. Unitl we can either hold the corporation liable, or hold the executives (or board of directors!) criminally liable, criminalizing error is a terrifying misstep that will have a chilling effect on reporting culture.

That said, I'm in favor of the corporate death penalty, or holding the board or executives criminally liable for company actions—make them take real liability with their absurd pay. But we don't do that—we're just hunting for a blood sacrifice, and to a company, people are cheap.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

Jesus, do they really have that long? I imagine there are still plenty of pending lawsuits and likely more to come.

The problem is the engines. For the NMA Boeing wants to have engines with the pounds of thrust of the current 757. No one currently makes engines in the 43-45k pounds of thrust range. They're either 27-30k pounds of thrust for 737/A320. Or 55-70k/75K-94K pounds of thrust for the 787 and A350. Or 127-135k for the 777.

Engine manufactures are hesitant to build a new engine for just one plane. They would rather build a new clean sheet engine for a brand new family of new planes, or one that could be used on both Airbus and Boeing planes.

So that's what we're supposedly waiting for.

 

[SeanD]

The problem is the engines. For the NMA Boeing wants to have engines with the pounds of thrust of the current 757. No one currently makes engines in the 43-45k pounds of thrust range. They're either 27-30k pounds of thrust for 737/A320. Or 55-70k/75K-94K pounds of thrust for the 787 and A350. Or 127-135k for the 777.

Engine manufactures are hesitant to build a new engine for just one plane. They would rather build a new clean sheet engine for a brand new family of new planes, or one that could be used on both Airbus and Boeing planes.

So that's what we're supposedly waiting for.

Why don’t they just build a new airframe around the same engines used on the A321 Neo?

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

Why don’t they just build a new airframe around the same engines used on the A321 Neo?

I'm not a Boeing engineer, but just a guess they want a more powerful engine for the NMA. Which will be a true 757 and 762 replacement. And it will need to be able to get in and out of high and hot airports and out of fields of 5-8500 ft. Which are things that the 320 and 737 can't do. The wing might also have something to do with that too. But the 757 wing is great for its mission and its engines are overpowered. So again it sounds like a 28-35k engine, like what's on the GTF wouldn't cut it.

Even the Air Force is currently having a problem, when it comes to finding a suitable 757/C-32 replacement. Because nothing current gen can match the 757 capabilities.

 

[Apophis]

BA was at $260 in mid December. I'm most likely going to buy more if this continues. Quite honestly, defense and space could carry the company (and have). But BCA really needs to figure things out. This should be a come to Jesus moment, beyond just "lets focus on quality" rabble rabble from executives. They need to put their money where their mouths are. And oh yeah, they need to design a new airplane appropriate to the 21st century that answers to customer demand. If they want to see values shoot through the roof, and happy shareholders, those are the two ingredients required. What they have been doing is not working.

Best I can offer you is a 300 foot long 737 with bigger engines.

-Boeing Management-

 

[knot4u]

When you wrench, there aren't, er, many hard philosophical rules... But there ARE a few. One of those few is that BOLTS are your friend; Don't forget any or take off without them!

We could ALL learn a lot from a good Wrench!

I can only speak to my experience, none of which includes anything remotely 121 related, and I find it hard to comprehend how something Ike that could happen barring a major part failing. I'm not going to look up 777 MLG tire changes on YouTube, but I will explain how a MLG wheel on a Gulfstream is secured. After getting the thing up onto the axle with the bearings and brakes fighting you the next step is to install the nut, that's where the torque wrenches come into play. This is why it's a two person job, someone has to spin the wheel as you over torque the nut initially (per the AMM), trying to do this solo is a fools errand. Then you back it off and retourqe it to the minimum value as your partner continues spinning the wheel like a crazy person. At this point you both take a break and wonder when your life went wrong. After a couple of sips of water you get back to it and try to figure out if the nut has aligned with the holes in the axle so you can just put the cross bolts right back into their holes, that never happens, luckily the AMM gives a large range of torque values and most of the time you can just keep adding torque, as your partner is once again manually spinning the wheel, until the holes line up. Most of the time that works but sometimes it doesn't. The problem is likely to be the wheel speed transducer, the axle has lots of holes to safety that nut, but those bolts also secure the transducer inside the axle and it only has 4 slots. A word of advice to anyone working on a Gulfstream, you can rotate those transducers a little bit but you better have brand new o-rings and lube, those little rubber circles live in the worst possible environment imaginable and if you uncage them they will display their anger by immediately hulking out. So once you get the wheel torqued, the cross bolts installed, the cap installed and the tire inflated you can set the airplane back on the ground, do some paperwork and walk away. None of what I've written has anything to do with positioning an airplane to jack it up, ensuring a replacement wheel is available, any of the required inspections or any of the other nonsense regarding a schedule might impose. I've changed wheels on Lears and Gulfstreams as pax were either on board or boarding. There's a reason I don't do that anymore.