Shock-Diamonds
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This seems like a pretty good and realistic scale.
If this is including LUP it’s a realistic scale. Legacies hourly is about $46/hr without.
This seems like a pretty good and realistic scale.
That depends which legacy you’re talking about. AA for instance (after you’re off training) starts around $86k without license pay, and about $94k with. They work 1750 hrs a year so that’s about $49/hr. United works more hours but similar starting pay so that would be about $46/hr. And I thought DL started similar too but heard they start closer to $90k before license. Not sure how many hours they work a year. Southwest has their new phenomenal starting pay of nearly $100k and they’re now supposed to work 1750 hours as well? So that’s $57/hr. My numbers may be off but either way legacies are $46-$57/hr before license pay. I don’t think shooting for $44 is too much for an airline that could potentially become the 5th largest, is larger than Allegiant who now starts at $80k, has international flights all over Latin America and the Caribbean, and is located in a very high cost of living part of the country. $44-$45 is a good starting point so that when the company negotiates and begins chipping away at what you want they can’t low ball so extremely. Imagine if you start with $40/hr what you’ll end up with. Not much. Besides in another 3-5 years COL will be even higher so pay will need to keep up.If this is including LUP it’s a realistic scale. Legacies hourly is about $46/hr without.
Very soon, they're losing more dispatchers to united and southwest and some quit or went to pursue other aviation careers so keep an eye outAnyone know when Spirit will be hiring again? I just got my license and I’d like to try and stay in Florida if I can.
Thank you I willVery soon, they're losing more dispatchers to united and southwest and some quit or went to pursue other aviation careers so keep an eye out
This is all just due to low pay and high cost of living? Or is there more to this? They seem like a regional that everyone wants to dip from.Very soon, they're losing more dispatchers to united and southwest and some quit or went to pursue other aviation careers so keep an eye out
due to an old contract with a low pay scale and a poor relationship between the union and management. so talks of a TA or new contract seem to be in limboThis is all just due to low pay and high cost of living? Or is there more to this? They seem like a regional that everyone wants to dip from.
Low pay and high COL is definitely a huge driving factor. There are several like me who have homes in Texas or Illinois and do not like living in Florida and the uncertainty of where the final OCC will be is also very unappealingThis is all just due to low pay and high cost of living? Or is there more to this? They seem like a regional that everyone wants to dip from.
I don’t think shooting for $44 is too much for an airline that could potentially become the 5th largest, is larger than Allegiant who now starts at $80k, has international flights all over Latin America and the Caribbean, and is located in a very high cost of living part of the country. $44-$45 is a good starting point so that when the company negotiates and begins chipping away at what you want they can’t low ball so extremely. Imagine if you start with $40/hr what you’ll end up with. Not much. Besides in another 3-5 years COL will be even higher so pay will need to keep up.
Spirit is NOT becoming the 5th largest airline. They are selling everything they own to JetBlue which will be the 5th largest airline. This is not a merger, Spirit will soon no longer exist. So this point is kinda pointless.
Spirit is NOT becoming the 5th largest airline. They are selling everything they own to JetBlue which will be the 5th largest airline. This is not a merger, Spirit will soon no longer exist. So this point is kinda pointless.
To chime in on what GoldiLocks was saying….I'm a former Spirit dispatcher who has departed for greener pastures. I'm one of the few who left even while having good seniority. Just to give a glimpse into what's actually happening there - moral is at an all time low I'd say with the group. There's no respect for the contract from management and that's why in my opinion there will not be a new one prior to the JetBlue merger, if that succeeds. I think there's rumor of pay increases at the very least because you can't live in South Florida on first or second year pay. It's getting close in MCO but you can wander further out to get a decent apartment.
There's really no consideration by the company anymore that they are dealing with real people. When Spirit announced their new office in Dania Beach, we were led to believe that's where we would be. We then lived on a 6 month rollercoaster of rumors before they finally told us the OCC would be moving to BNA. Keep in mind, this was strictly being done to move the OCC out of South Florida to eliminate the need for a hurricane go team where we would go to DTW and get paid overtime to work. Then covid hit. Eventually BNA was scrapped and yet again we were on a months long rollercoaster ride of what was going to happen. We were then told there would be a split OCC with MCO, to which the company and the union were unsuccessful in coming up with a moving package. The company (represented by one person) walked away from the negotiating table after we voted down the first agreement. They are currently trampling on the contract with no end in sight which is why I don't believe a new contract will ever come to be. To add on that, they sat and fought the dispatch group for probably over a year on the MCO moving package. Meanwhile, the F9 deal is coming down the pipeline and was announced just as dispatchers finally started moving to MCO, basically extended the years long uncertainty of where people would be based.
For those getting hired there, congratulations. The work group itself, probably top half of the seniority list, are amazing people and it's the one things I miss most about Spirit. Just as a word of warning - if you're going in with no experience, Spirit's initial training program is extremely fast paced and geared towards dispatchers with previous experience. This is not to say it's impossible because there are plenty of internal hires who came in with no experience and made it through but just wanted to give that heads up.
What are the chances of JetBlue moving out of NY to FL after the merger?
What are the chances of JetBlue moving out of NY to FL after the merger?
I am very aware B6 is buying NK. That’s why I said “potentially become the 5th largest” as in the combing of the two to become a larger JetBlue. I am not going to waste time arguing over semantics. I am advocating with support for my old company and ex coworkers who I love, to get better pay. I believe they deserve the best.Spirit is NOT becoming the 5th largest airline. They are selling everything they own to JetBlue which will be the 5th largest airline. This is not a merger, Spirit will soon no longer exist. So this point is kinda pointless.
you are delusionalI was just saying that you’re arguing a point that is factually inaccurate. The only thing Spirit is “potentially” becoming, is nothing at all. In two years time, Spirit will be sitting on a beach surrounded by hoe’s and a yacht. Hard to ask them to pay a future salary for a company they won’t be a part of.
you are delusional