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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Don’t just like on the hate. Let’s welcome the guy, it is an achievement. I know plenty of guys who can’t get a call and/or got turned down and actually wanted to work here.

Welcome @///AMG
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Yeah I’m with you for once. I’m an ALPA mentor and there is an absolute focus on remaining positive.

The pilots getting hired are great and are quite smart too. Trust me it only takes a couple of weeks of management emails before they start asking me questions that I wished I had asked my first year.

Congratulations AMG! Overall a great group of pilots. It is an accomplishment getting hired here. Keep your eyes wide open and decide for yourself what you’d like to do with your career.


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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Don’t just like on the hate. Let’s welcome the guy, it is an achievement. I know plenty of guys who can’t get a call and/or got turned down and actually wanted to work here.

Welcome @///AMG
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Im not sure what hate you’re referring too. Presently, Alaska Airlines is the worst non regional airline a pilot can be at or be hired by. I understand that technically that’s an opinion, but I’m pretty sure the facts support it.
Every section of our contract lags the industry except for LTD which the company is out to gut. We have very likely the worst reserve system in the industry including most of the regional airlines.
There is little to no movement once you get past the bottom 10-15%, as the Airbus leaves there will be displacements (there will be no SFO base), and the upgrade time will likely jump from the 5ish year range to 6-7. That is still historically low here, now compare that to everyone else with the possible exception of Southwest.
Pay, Scheduling, and work rules are all far below what our peers enjoy at other airlines, our retirement is at least in the ball park.
Toxic culture with a management team that shows little interest in running an airline.
This is just how it is, it’s not a matter of liking or hating Alaska Airlines, the simple fact of the matter is that every other option out there available to pilots at this point in time provides a better future than Alaska Airlines. Will that change? Time will tell. For the moment, come to training work hard get your type and get on line, and seriously look at the better opportunities that are out there.
 
Reserve4Ever said:
Im not sure what hate you’re referring too. Presently, Alaska Airlines is the worst non regional airline a pilot can be at or be hired by. I understand that technically that’s an opinion, but I’m pretty sure the facts support it.
Every section of our contract lags the industry except for LTD which the company is out to gut. We have very likely the worst reserve system in the industry including most of the regional airlines.
There is little to no movement once you get past the bottom 10-15%, as the Airbus leaves there will be displacements (there will be no SFO base), and the upgrade time will likely jump from the 5ish year range to 6-7. That is still historically low here, now compare that to everyone else with the possible exception of Southwest.
Pay, Scheduling, and work rules are all far below what our peers enjoy at other airlines, our retirement is at least in the ball park.
Toxic culture with a management team that shows little interest in running an airline.
This is just how it is, it’s not a matter of liking or hating Alaska Airlines, the simple fact of the matter is that every other option out there available to pilots at this point in time provides a better future than Alaska Airlines. Will that change? Time will tell. For the moment, come to training work hard get your type and get on line, and seriously look at the better opportunities that are out there.
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You’re not wrong. The classy thing to do is to let new hires figure it out for themselves.

They are having their honeymoon moment and you just look like the bad actor when you’re pointing out, what is sadly the obvious. It’s like being the one in the toxic relationship who says the bad things about the other person. Usually people figure out that you are the problem. Right now management is doing that via email.

The good news is that a lot of new hires are figuring it out for themselves. Just met another guy who had just completed OE with a class date at another, much better airline.


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Reserve4Ever said:
Im not sure what hate you’re referring too. Presently, Alaska Airlines is the worst non regional airline a pilot can be at or be hired by. I understand that technically that’s an opinion, but I’m pretty sure the facts support it.
Every section of our contract lags the industry except for LTD which the company is out to gut. We have very likely the worst reserve system in the industry including most of the regional airlines.
There is little to no movement once you get past the bottom 10-15%, as the Airbus leaves there will be displacements (there will be no SFO base), and the upgrade time will likely jump from the 5ish year range to 6-7. That is still historically low here, now compare that to everyone else with the possible exception of Southwest.
Pay, Scheduling, and work rules are all far below what our peers enjoy at other airlines, our retirement is at least in the ball park.
Toxic culture with a management team that shows little interest in running an airline.
This is just how it is, it’s not a matter of liking or hating Alaska Airlines, the simple fact of the matter is that every other option out there available to pilots at this point in time provides a better future than Alaska Airlines. Will that change? Time will tell. For the moment, come to training work hard get your type and get on line, and seriously look at the better opportunities that are out there.
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BEEF SUPREME said:
You’re not wrong. The classy thing to do is to let new hires figure it out for themselves.

They are having their honeymoon moment and you just look like the bad actor when you’re pointing out, what is sadly the obvious. It’s like being the one in the toxic relationship who says the bad things about the other person. Usually people figure out that you are the problem. Right now management is doing that via email.

The good news is that a lot of new hires are figuring it out for themselves. Just met another guy who had just completed OE with a class date at another, much better airline.


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Honest question. You goth got apps in at other places? If not, why?
 
Maximilian_Jenius said:
Honest question. You goth got apps in at other places? If not, why?
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I’m old. I’m also a curmudgeon. I’ve updated my apps for United about 4 times since I’ve been hired here. Every time something bad happens: OG Covid, Delta, Omicron, War in Ukraine. Then I don’t follow through. I know I should but I’m old. I’m tired. I’m deeply cynical and bitter about aviation. Most people who suffered through the lost decade are too. They just aren’t honest about it.

Cynically I think I’d make a move and wind up in a worse spot than last time. Furloughed after the Great Garbage Avalanche of 2505. 4 years + of seniority is hard to give up on. I was 125 numbers away from upgrade last time. Maybe I’ll get it on this latest bid. Maybe we will get a good contract. Maybe I’ll find a parking spot in short term parking and the FAs and the captain will be nice again. You get sucked into the comfort of the devil you know. I’m not afraid to admit it. I’m old and I’m tired.

Lastly I just can’t bring myself to walk into some stupid office or hotel ballroom, with my stupid red tie on and gag on someone’s johnson about how much I love XYZ airlines. I’m old. I’ve seen it all. All airlines suck. All charter companies suck. Private flight departments suck. They change like the tides. The United I get hired at might be amazing one day and a complete nightmare after the Great Garbage Avalanche of 2505. I probably couldn’t even say I hope this is the last place I interview with a straight face to some HR lady or an indifferent captain with a poor fitting suit. Deep in my soul I know it all sucks.

I like ‘Laski because: the captains are overall not bad to work for. The legs can be short if you’re willing to fight the elements in SE. I could give zero Fs about flying any particular airframe or going overseas. I got to hand fly a 737 from PSG to WRG. No autopilot or auto throttles. Mixed bag on WX. 9 minute leg. The captain asked that I flew the next leg because I did a good job. My landings are the safest they have ever been. I’ve done multiple missed approaches for windshear and bad turbulence just this winter. I went a whole career without doing that before Laski. I like challenging myself and getting good at things and SE keeps me happy. It’s all better than 91/135.

I’ve also carved out a relatively nice life for myself here in the PNW. I recreate how I want. People leave me alone. Ill never have a boat or an airplane but I’ve got my trusty old car lots of cool bikes and guns. I guess I’m a simple guy.

I probably should leave the sooner the better. But I’m old and tired. Like one captain said to me over and over when I first started flying: “life is hard and then you die.”


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