Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I think they are saying Space Monkey = Crop Duster (another user name here)
Challenger Truckee
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I think they are saying Space Monkey = Crop Duster (another user name here)
GypsyPilot
Mohawk Town
Can you PM me their screen name? I used to be pretty active over there, just curious if I knew them.
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
Coursey is an absolute pile of garbage. The guy has a rap sheet bigger than Justin Bieber. He stalked and kidnapped his ex-wife, and has several public mug shots. He is literally the last person on the planet who should throw stones. I met him when we both worked for the flight department of a major FBO HQ'd in TEB. He is a staunch Jesus freak and psychopath who shouldn't hold a medical.
Space Monkey
Arbitrariness replaces reason with authority.
That is true. But when experts in any domain screw up, it is almost always because they allow themselves to become overwhelmed by external pressures, and then start reverting to thinking step by step when the situation calls for muscle memory.
True pros know what they are doing. They also know NOT what to do in a given situation. True pros fail when they start to allow external pressure to mess with their game.
Lesson: Notwithstanding procedural discipline in general, in fluid situations -you know, situations in which you've already departed from flying the McAirplane in accordance with the McAirline Manual- if you are really a true pro... stop thinking! Fly it like you stole it!
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Space Monkey
Arbitrariness replaces reason with authority.
Yikes.
It is rather, er, unnerving that there is no -even just basic- psych battery included in the FAA Medical Exam.
Space Monkey
Arbitrariness replaces reason with authority.
I know nothing about this accident.
Most days, everything that been made to seem complex with shiny lights and talking heads is really simple. These days it seems, for too many folks, simplicity is visible only with a lens filter. ...And if you act NOW, I've got them available at rock bottom
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knot4u
Repeat Offender
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
I thought crop dusting was when you eat burritos, and walk in a expeditious fashion, leaving your gaseous emanations for those in your wake to enjoy? Did I miss a memo?
KLB
Well-Known Member
Most definitely! This corporate aviation flying is challenging. The large number of airports that we are expected to fly into and with some operators offering little to no support to it's flight crews...lack of standardization. There is just so much that needs to be looked at.
Fixtur
Dunning-Kruger Expert
3sm vis at Truckee was a hard no-go at my last shop, even in the CJ1. There's always KRNO. We'll call ahead for the car.
edit: which is to say it's good to have those hard and fast rules at the company level because it removes pressure on the pilot to get the mission done even in far less than ideal (yet possibly legal) conditions.
edit: which is to say it's good to have those hard and fast rules at the company level because it removes pressure on the pilot to get the mission done even in far less than ideal (yet possibly legal) conditions.
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KLB
Well-Known Member
My gig has some great rules also. I'm on a 91 account and my clients are accustomed to hearing me say "I do not think it's safe, but this is what we can safely do..." and not give me any fuss about it.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Can anyone do a crash course (no pun intended) on what a corporate pilot contractor is? Obviously they’re typed on the plane. But what company specific training do they receive, if any? FOM? Flows, callouts, procedures? How does all that work if you’re a contractor pilot?
FlyingAccountant
Well-Known Member
I work for a guy who has his own Challenger. We had a contract FO for a while and we trained him just the same as we did our captain. They do all of the recurrent stuff together. I'm pretty sure he was already typed though before he was brought on.
The more technical stuff, I dunno.
CFI A&P
Exploring the world one toilet at a time.
Generally speaking most 91 operators use the flows and call outs from the respective schools for the type (FSI/CAE, etc). That doesn’t stop them from using their own back home, and then “cooperate & graduate” when at the school house. The more serious departments with NBAA or ISO affiliations have standardization and in-house training.
Similar to how every 737 or 320 operator will vary slightly with their call outs.
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Space Monkey
Arbitrariness replaces reason with authority.
Not really. Simple is good. Simple is how it feels after years and years of persistence in the pain of practice. Simple is the sloughing-off of superfluity, the resolution of complexity, the nexus and singularity of competence. Simple is flow. When anything and/or everything else starts to bear down upon one, simple is one's reversionary redoubt. Everything else is away. You're protected and pure.
Revert to your excellence. Take command. Assume control.
Just Fly. The. Airplane.
(Play. The. Violin. ... Hit. The. Ball. ... Carve. The. Turn. ... etc.)
There is no thought. There is no try. There is only do or not do. And, when you're simple, you'll know when NOT DO is just as good as, if not much better than, DO.
The secret is you've got to possess the excellence -the muscle/mind memory- to which to revert... as well as the inalienable instinct to do so.
The second secret is you've got to protect your simple from getting cluttered and corrupted; You've got to protect your inalienable instinct.
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BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
First... you seem to have not yet achieved your second secret, at least as far as writing posts go.
Second... You pontificated about Just Do It (tm) and being a pro, and how that nature would have avoided this crash, but then go on to talk about how you know nothing about this specific crash and (I think... but see my first point) how viewing it through the filter takes away the clarity.
Space Monkey
Arbitrariness replaces reason with authority.
Well, teaching is always much much more difficult than doing. Soooo.....
Ok, how's this??? "Don't crash airplanes."
That would comport perfectly with my previously stated axioms for aviators, to wit:
1. Don't do nothing stupid.
2. Don't hit nothing.
Does that work for you? I'm here to serve, mi amigo.
If you want to take this all as me trying to aggrandize me... well, you've got me very wrong. If I wanted to do that, I'd be hawking warez on YouTube. I'm making general comments about the state of our industry. I do NOT know anything about this accident, other than the abundance of info available on the webbernet. Apparently, vis a vis the current cultural calamity, I know very little about anything. Uncomfortably, that cultural cognitive dissonance makes me feel more secure, not less. My post(s) was(were) in response to many others on this board. My posts are general statements, not particular comments upon this deal, this flight crew, or this particular anything else.
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I mean, I kinda see what you’re saying.
But if I was to walk into a Delta 737, I would confuse the hell out of the FO and have no clue about what Checklists they use, the triggers for certain checklists, callouts, procedures, and importantly, FOM stuff.
Contractor sounds hard, especially if you’re doing several at once. Not sure you can exact the same quality as in-house for simply the reasons mentioned above.