Club Furlough

I came in with decent expectations, but as soon as I saw how disorganized training was, I became wary. Training has gotten better, and they laid off the training manager who, honestly, wasn’t that on top of it, so if they can get a decent replacement that will help a lot. He would show half done videos in ground school and talk about how he stayed up all night prepping the power point, and still had slides in it that only applied to the pilots, since he just stole their stuff.

I think a lot of the ”old school“ dispatchers are tired of the constant turnover, and we got hit pretty hard with people leaving last year in a short period, right when we started to grow, which didn’t help things. They keep minimal staffing, which I get since its a regional, but with (pre-COVID) people leaving constantly, it wasn’t smart on the business side, since they were paying so much OT and burning people out. I made an extra 25% over my base pay in over time alone, and there are many who did more OT than me. Dispatch is the only union group in the company that can still be junior assigned a shift and forced to work. They say when it comes to pilots, it kills morale, so they don’t want it, but they continue to do it, and want to do it, to dispatch.

I think the biggest issue is that dispatch is seen as a legal necessity that they wouldn’t have otherwise (my perception). The company would be happy to replace dispatch with automation, but as we all learned when getting our certificates, the weakest point in automation is those monitoring it. Dispatch’s primary function is supposed to be flight following, and when you have 55 releases due in a day, you can’t effectively flight follow. That may be manageable on the west coast flying into LAX, but when your big hubs are LGA and DCA, well, things go to hell quickly. It’s hard to handle multiple diversions at the same time, plus the 5-7 releases you have to prep for the next hour. FAA literally had to start putting pressure on the company to fix the workload issues because of what they were seeing.

Now, that all being said, I did *start* to see a few minor changes that were positive before all this hit, and a lot of the morale stuff was, and remains to be, really easily fixed perception stuff, when its not pay and contract related. Crew scheduling sending out an email to management saying they ordering the pizzas, and them just forwarding the email out, makes it look like crew scheduling is the only one ordering pizzas, when they’re paying for it too. When you constantly see management taking care of one team and not the other, it wears you down. The Director would regularly ask for feedback, and then either dismiss your feedback or tell you don’t need the information you asked for. You want less fuel? Well then I need better tools to let me make that decision safely. No tools, more fuel, since I can’t evaluate the risk properly with what you’re giving me. That simple.

I mentioned pay and contract up there. RPA is on a contract from 2013 still, that was bargained for by a guy that became a duty manager shortly after the contract was signed. I’m sure I don’t need to explain the perception and possible moral issues with that move. There were several other regionals that had gotten new contracts in the time I was there that increased their pay substantially, and then, of course, there is Endeavour, but the company honestly did not seem to be in any rush to sign a new contract. Combine that with refusing to give Dispatch an MOU during COVID, and they have not currently furloughed any pilots that were on the line, but they furloughed a third of dispatch. Several dispatchers brought up concerns about the contract when it was proposed and were told by the union if they didn’t pass it, their contract would go on the back burner.

I think I painted an accurate picture in there of it, but kinda started rambling. Happy to answer more in depth If you have specific questions, since that was kind of broad. Basically I came in expecting to be treated with respect, and to be tight on funds for a while. I found a manager who will split days off every week because it was easier to schedule that way, instead of keeping everyone’s days off together. That doesn’t show respect for your people’s personal lives, and neither does junior manning.
 
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I came in with decent expectations, but as soon as I saw how disorganized training was, I became wary. Training has gotten better, and they laid off the training manager who, honestly, wasn’t that on top of it, so if they can get a decent replacement that will help a lot. He would show half done videos in ground school and talk about how he stayed up all night prepping the power point, and still had slides in it that only applied to the pilots, since he just stole their stuff.

I think a lot of the ”old school“ dispatchers are tired of the constant turnover, and we got hit pretty hard with people leaving last year in a short period, right when we started to grow, which didn’t help things. They keep minimal staffing, which I get since its a regional, but with (pre-COVID) people leaving constantly, it wasn’t smart on the business side, since they were paying so much OT and burning people out. I made an extra 25% over my base pay in over time alone, and there are many who did more OT than me. Dispatch is the only union group in the company that can still be junior assigned a shift and forced to work. They say when it comes to pilots, it kills morale, so they don’t want it, but they continue to do it, and want to do it, to dispatch.

I think the biggest issue is that dispatch is seen as a legal necessity that they wouldn’t have otherwise (my perception). The company would be happy to replace dispatch with automation, but as we all learned when getting our certificates, the weakest point in automation is those monitoring it. Dispatch’s primary function is supposed to be flight following, and when you have 55 releases due in a day, you can’t effectively flight follow. That may be manageable on the west coast flying into LAX, but when your big hubs are LGA and DCA, well, things go to hell quickly. It’s hard to handle multiple diversions at the same time, plus the 5-7 releases you have to prep for the next hour. FAA literally had to start putting pressure on the company to fix the workload issues because of what they were seeing.

Now, that all being said, I did *start* to see a few minor changes that were positive before all this hit, and a lot of the morale stuff was, and remains to be, really easily fixed perception stuff, when its not pay and contract related. Crew scheduling sending out an email to management saying they ordering the pizzas, and them just forwarding the email out, makes it look like crew scheduling is the only one ordering pizzas, when they’re paying for it too. When you constantly see management taking care of one team and not the other, it wears you down. The Director would regularly ask for feedback, and then either dismiss your feedback or tell you don’t need the information you asked for. You want less fuel? Well then I need better tools to let me make that decision safely. No tools, more fuel, since I can’t evaluate the risk properly with what you’re giving me. That simple.

I mentioned pay and contract up there. RPA is on a contract from 2013 still, that was bargained for by a guy that became a duty manager shortly after the contract was signed. I’m sure I don’t need to explain the perception and possible moral issues with that move. There were several other regionals that had gotten new contracts in the time I was there that increased their pay substantially, and then, of course, there is Endeavour, but the company honestly did not seem to be in any rush to sign a new contract. Combine that with refusing to give Dispatch an MOU during COVID, and they have not currently furloughed any pilots that were on the line, but they furloughed a third of dispatch. Several dispatchers brought up concerns about the contract when it was proposed and were told by the union if they didn’t pass it, their contract would go on the back burner.
But I thought u guys used old school Sabre, the easiest and most organized software to release flights with. Heard you could pump a vfr release out within minutes. Also how many ASAPs did it take til the dispatch POI stepped in and fixed it?
 
Old school Sabre to me is command line Sabre, which we had/have for AA.

And yeah, you can release something quick on a good day, but when you also load me up like that on a bad day, that is when you have issues. LGA and DCA don’t have many VFR days in summer.

Can’t say how many ASAPs it took, but I know they were seeing enough. Don’t want to say much so publicly, but I will say RPA also uses ASAPs not just for “hey I screwed up“ but also safety concerns that weren’t violations of FARs. So the FAA could have seen ASAPs that were along the lines of “I was assigned to release 13 flights in an hour, while I had 5 scheduled to land in to LGA at the same time when they are forecasting VCTS.” We all know how that will end, and I doubt anyone can plan 13 flights while handling 5 guys holding and/or diverting.
 
Old school Sabre to me is command line Sabre, which we had/have for AA.

And yeah, you can release something quick on a good day, but when you also load me up like that on a bad day, that is when you have issues. LGA and DCA don’t have many VFR days in summer.

Can’t say how many ASAPs it took, but I know they were seeing enough. Don’t want to say much so publicly, but I will say RPA also uses ASAPs not just for “hey I screwed up“ but also safety concerns that weren’t violations of FARs. So the FAA could have seen ASAPs that were along the lines of “I was assigned to release 13 flights in an hour, while I had 5 scheduled to land in to LGA at the same time when they are forecasting VCTS.” We all know how that will end, and I doubt anyone can plan 13 flights while handling 5 guys holding and/or diverting.
By old school I meant first gen GUI Sabre as in the one with the pretty color status blocks not the new one that destroyed the whole interface.
 
If I see somebody call Sabre Dispatch Monitor a "gold standard" I'm going to scream. From a dispatch perspective it's quirky but easy enough to use, from an architecture and maintenance standpoint we're gonna party like it's 1999 (and rip our hair out). Literally.

*Laughs in JetPlan*

Aviation technology seems to be stuck in the 90's, the whole "if it isn't broken, don't fix it" rigs true in just about everything aviation.
 
*Laughs in JetPlan*

Aviation technology seems to be stuck in the 90's, the whole "if it isn't broken, don't fix it" rigs true in just about everything aviation.
Its crazy how lufthansa made IOCC for gojet and CPZ and Gojet looses operational control right from the start of using IOCC.
 
The terms "viable" and "career" can't be applied to a profession in which the veterans encourage rookies to "have a back-up plan."
With the way things have gone the last few years and decades, one needs a backup plan for EVERY line of work, not just aviation. Whether in or outside of aviation, one needs a backup plan. Accounting used to be a secure profession; so did law. After the turn of the century though, neither profession is as secure as it once was. In law, it's gotten so bad that even Harvard grads have to scramble to find jobs now! It used to be that, if one graduated from Harvard, Yale, or Stanford law schools, they could write their own tickets; they had their pick of the legal jobs. That's no longer true.

Even if one is in a secure industry and/or line of work, one may no longer be able to do the job at some point. One might be driving trucks for a grocery store chain; that's as secure as one can get, right? But, say that due to health issues, one might not be able to drive trucks anymore. There goes the security. That's someone who needs a backup plan.

Not to get preachy, but during Bible times, young Jewish men had to learn two trades. Why? So one could earn a living, no matter what life brought their way. I think that the principle is sound, because one isn't putting all their eggs in one basket. I think the old Biblical practice is a good idea, especially in these days and times.

Anyway, based on my observations and life experience, having a backup plan is a MUST-no matter WHAT one does for a living....
 
Indy local news WFYI reporting on Republic and the CARES Act. Archived version:
Here is the original unarchived page:
Grounded: COVID-19 Forces Airlines To Search For Airport Parking Lots
RPA is lying to the media about letting people go. They can call it a "furlough" all they like, from the sound of things it was more like a lay-off. Someone needs to be called out for this. I am going to be contacting WFYI and if any of you are furloughed RPA guys or know furloughed RPA guys, they should reach out too.

I don't expect that RPA would actually face real consequences, but at the very least they should be called out for lying.
 
So with 34 flight dispatchers out on furlough, Republic in the last month has put out over 20 days of over time and has now started junior assigning shifts because they don‘t have enough people.

0 have been recalled so far.
 
I get your frustration, but you have to understand business. There is a point below which it's more beneficial to pay overtime than to bring in additional staff.

This is why I say it's important for employees of a business to understand the industry in which they are employed.
You don’t know my background, so please don’t tell me I don’t understand business.

And the line is when you start forcing employees to work over time. At that point you’re admitting you don’t have enough staff, and recalls need to be made. There are things that I would normally let slide, if the government hadn’t picked up payroll this whole time. That’s where things completely change vs a normal drop in capacity, like after 9/11.
 
United just sent out WARN notices the other day. Looks like approximately 40% of the PAFCA seniority list will receive them. Yay. The only upside is that these are just potential furloughs and the actual number should be smaller in October (assuming there is no extension of the CARES act money.)

 
So with 34 flight dispatchers out on furlough, Republic in the last month has put out over 20 days of over time and has now started junior assigning shifts because they don‘t have enough people.

0 have been recalled so far.
If dispatchers starting citing workloads in ASAPs they filed would it force the company hand in terms of bringing back furloughed personnel? I remember reading on here a while back that a bunch of ASAPs had workload as a cited factor and lack of personnel and that the FAA said its a company matter to deal with and stayed out of it from a FAA standpoint.
 
You don’t know my background, so please don’t tell me I don’t understand business.

And the line is when you start forcing employees to work over time. At that point you’re admitting you don’t have enough staff, and recalls need to be made. There are things that I would normally let slide, if the government hadn’t picked up payroll this whole time. That’s where things completely change vs a normal drop in capacity, like after 9/11.

Overtime is still cheaper than paying full salaries and benefits. Want to get your buddies back to work? Take a page out of the pilots handbook. Send work numbers to voicemail the second you duty off until you report for your next shift. Obviously this doesn’t work if you get junior manned while at work. But when people stop picking up OT and taking the junior mans then and only then will they be forced to bring on additional staff. No overtime while people are on the street


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Overtime is still cheaper than paying full salaries and benefits. Want to get your buddies back to work? Take a page out of the pilots handbook. Send work numbers to voicemail the second you duty off until you report for your next shift. Obviously this doesn’t work if you get junior manned while at work. But when people stop picking up OT and taking the junior mans then and only then will they be forced to bring on additional staff. No overtime while people are on the street


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I agree, but sadly people are still picking up, including every member of the union. Junior manning is recent.
 
If dispatchers starting citing workloads in ASAPs they filed would it force the company hand in terms of bringing back furloughed personnel? I remember reading on here a while back that a bunch of ASAPs had workload as a cited factor and lack of personnel and that the FAA said its a company matter to deal with and stayed out of it from a FAA standpoint.

FAA actually gets involved at Republic and has told them on several occasions they needed to reevaluate their staffing.
 
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