Wow never heard of that before. So in this case if they listed in the ASAPs staffing issues would they be forced to unfurlough some people? like you or someone said in the thread they are already starting to OT and jr man folks. So it would make sense for the FAA to say you gotta bring people back instead of just jr manning and OTing to bare min staff levels.
Club Furlough
- Thread starter paincorp
- Start date
Well the FAA can’t say they need to unfurlough people, they can just say staffing isn’t ”enough.” How the company fixes that to get more people in is up to the company, and in this case, at least as of now, they’ve chosen OT and junior manning for well over a months work.
ASAPs are definitely a route being discussed and used to document any and all safety concerns.
Is DX covered under a Fatigue Risk Management Program?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
You would think so otherwise you would have a whole dispatch group drinking coffee to stave off the fatigue. /s of course.
It depends on the airline. Some have programs for DX some don’t
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
You can call fatigue, but it’s treated the same as sick.
QXSOUP
Just an ACARS message with feelings
ABSOLUTELY.
If you have a cert and are working 121 then you are covered.
And yes the FAA has in the past stepped in to address staffing issues. It has happened more than once before and at other places than Republic.
who'swho
Don't hesitate. Penetrate!
Just to be clear though, the FAA only cares that there are enough qualified bodies in the seats for any given shift. How the company goes about getting to that number, via OT or Jr assignment, they don't concern themselves with that.
who'swho
Don't hesitate. Penetrate!
When flights take off and land without anyone watching them cuz a desk closed and the flights were never moved to the new desk cuz the receiving dispatcher was too busy dispatching/flight following 100+ flights to check if they got moved, then that's NOT enough. Does that help? LOL. That was an ASAP that got results within days.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
They're mighty hesitant on the pilot side to do anything that comes close to trifling with with "labor-management relations" there at the F-double-A, and I'm sure that isn't going to change anytime soon.
Well your rest and yearly work limits are pretty set in stone. As of now they’re also required to have two of you in the cockpit. For dispatch the definition of “enough” is largely determined by the company.
Imagine what your schedule would look like without 117 and the requirement for two people in the cockpit. You know some company, somewhere, would start cutting corners.
Two pilots operate one flight at a time. A dispatcher is releasing and flight following double digits, all at the same time. When you divert, they could be dealing with multiple other diversions at the same time. That’s hard to maintain operational control during.
We all need a better definition from the FAA than “enough.”
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
Sucky situation all around, I don’t have much to offer as I’m not in the 121 game anymore- but we may be looking for a contract pilot to staff some trips over the next few months - if anybody hits the street that’s somewhat recently current in the hawker, shoot me a DM and I’ll reach out when we start flying again.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
That must have been an interesting ASAP to see. Imagine if any of those flights had emergencies and needed new burns to the nearest airport or something like that.
CF34-3B1
Well-Known Member
If they had an emergency and you didn’t get back to them in time, whether you’re task saturated because of furloughs or not paying attention because you’re surfing Facebook, I can assure you they wouldn’t be waiting on you for burns. They’d run it with the fmc or just wag it and land that sob somewhere with a runway.
Flagship_dxer
Penske Material
Im surprised more on this thread aren't talking about the implications about United sending out 193 WARN letters and Delta, American likely to be following soon with WARN notices to significant percentages of their dispatch groups. I wouldn't be surprised if Southwest ends up sending WARN letters this time.
If United, AA, Delta, Southwest furlough even 60-100 each, the effect on the careers of many will be devastating. Not only for those that will be out of a job but those wanting to advance to the majors will likely see a much longer wait. In a normal year, 60-100 is a lot of hiring. Just recalling that many will likely take a year or two. If furloughs are in the 150-200 range, it will likely take 3-4 years just to recall everyone when retirements or growth dictate more staffing.
If the other regionals furlough like Republic has, those wanting to get into the business could see a multi-year wait. The era of one year wonders in this business is over for now. I would plan on 5-10 years right now before we see hiring at the big 4. When it does start again, I am not confident that we will be seeing multiple classes of 20-30 every year like we were pre-virus.
If United, AA, Delta, Southwest furlough even 60-100 each, the effect on the careers of many will be devastating. Not only for those that will be out of a job but those wanting to advance to the majors will likely see a much longer wait. In a normal year, 60-100 is a lot of hiring. Just recalling that many will likely take a year or two. If furloughs are in the 150-200 range, it will likely take 3-4 years just to recall everyone when retirements or growth dictate more staffing.
If the other regionals furlough like Republic has, those wanting to get into the business could see a multi-year wait. The era of one year wonders in this business is over for now. I would plan on 5-10 years right now before we see hiring at the big 4. When it does start again, I am not confident that we will be seeing multiple classes of 20-30 every year like we were pre-virus.
flynryan692
Well-Known Member
Hopefully the demand recovers quickly and it's closer to a 3 year wait, but it might not be and I think a lot of people will leave dispatch for this reason. I'm one of them unfortunately. Another 5-10 years to make it to the majors on top of the time I already have is hard to stomach. There are other ways to make as much or more than a new hire dispatcher at a major and I think people will go after that, for me it's IT and it's roughly 6 month wait while I knock out a certification.
Not to mention those at the bottom of the seniority lists at majors who are now looking at twice as long on the midnight relief line when they come back from a multi-year furlough. I know of a few people in that situation who are unsure if the career is really worth it now given how drastically the industry has been damaged.
757Geek
Well-Known Member
Call me a blind optimist, but I just don't see a multi-year furlough coming down the pike at the majors. Six months to a year, maybe a year and a half in the extreme, but not 3-4 years. If traffic were still down 90% then yes I think that is accurate, but with traffic having crept up to where most airlines are operating roughly 40-55% currently and probably creeping up especially if there is a vaccine in the beginning of next year, I just don't see it. Also, keep in mind, that even though United sent out a ton of WARN notices, I highly doubt that all of those will actually be furloughed, especially with the fact that their schedule will still increase roughly by 10% next month (that is taking into account that they have walked back some of the schedule increase with this second wave).