trafficinsight
Well-Known Member
FWIW (not much I'd imagine) what I've read about it says that the NMB agreed that SAPA was legit representation if both the pilots and the company recognized it as such.
The Great Jumpseat War of 2019
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FWIW (not much I'd imagine) what I've read about it says that the NMB agreed that SAPA was legit representation if both the pilots and the company recognized it as such.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Negative. Never happened.
trafficinsight
Well-Known Member
*Shrug*
I think I was in elementary school when it either did or didn't happen, and it doesn't matter anyway because you know how I feel about it.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Are you at Skywest? If so, you have no union.
I dont like any of this at all. But I'm
How do you figure? I'm Republic. Represented by Teamsters Union.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
No Republic. We better have a Union. Someone keeps taking money from each paycheck calling it Union dues.
zmiller4
Well-Known Member
I don’t disagree with you here....except that SAPA “signs off” on the legally binding document that governs the employee rules at Skywest (which would be legally binding whether or not SAPA signed it or not).
Tell me, if Skywest were to fire a pilot for reasons contrary to the employee manual, would they have any legal recourse?
Tell me again, if Skywest were to fire a pilot for reasons contrary to the employee manual or underpay them, would they have any legal recourse? Because that’s employment law, not labor law.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
SAPA would have no standing to challenge it. The pilot could file a lawsuit. But that’s true at any company. If I ignored the provisions of my employee handbook, I could be sued. But I can also change those provisions at any time on a whim. And so can Skywest. SAPA be damned,
trafficinsight
Well-Known Member
I'll be shocked to death like @ComplexHiAv8r might be right now, if any of this comes to step one of that.
Since no one can seem to let it go, lets forget it was me asking all those philosophical questions and pretend @dbrault17 asked... since they did.
I dont get it? Does Richman have a prophetic view on the whole situation or am I being made fun of? Hard to tell context in just words.
I know. I was trying to push your questions along. Figured it was important enough but it seems no one wants touch this one.I'll be shocked to death like @ComplexHiAv8r might be right now, if any of this comes to step one of that.
Since no one can seem to let it go, lets forget it was me asking all those philosophical questions and pretend @dbrault17 asked... since they did.
zmiller4
Well-Known Member
You literally just agreed with everything I have been saying.
Well, as a union rep, he has a perspective that we might like to hear.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
I don’t think so. But if so, you’ve basically been saying nothing. Because the reality is that having SAPA and their employee handbook is literally no different than not having them.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
IBT right?
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I remember at Virgin before the union we had the PRB - Pilot Rule Book.
I appropriately called it the Pilot Suggestion Book, because management could (and would) change things as they pleased.
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
You have to follow the process. You can't just say "we're married" without some ridiculous ceremony where your mooching in-laws can stuff their faces.
If the company can change the working conditions "at will", which it sounds like they can, there is no collective bargaining agreement. A CBA is the cornerstone of representation.