Skywest Questions
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Ugh. Skywest does not set the block times, our partners do. Skywest sets the credit and the disparity grows every year.
adk
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Duty rigs and block or better are two different things. Duty rigs are based on your duty day - a common duty rig would be one hour of pay for every two hours of duty. With a 2:1 duty rig a 10 hour duty day would pay a minimum of 5 hours.
Block or better is the simple expectation of being paid for the amount of flight time that is being "reserved" on your schedule. For example, let's say a Skywest pilot is awarded a schedule with 99 hours of block over a 28-day period. Let's say that with historical credit this flying pays 94 hours. This pilot would not be allowed to pick up an extra trip worth 4 hours because that would put him over part 117 flight time limits. Personally, I don't see how this is fair.
B767
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What?? Did I read this right? So you said, 99 block. Credit 94. As it stands now, you get paid 94. And you are complaining you can’t pick up an EXTRA trip (read:less days off) that would still short you an hour if you had originally be on block or better?
Please tell me I misread that.
(P.S. I’ve been block or better before. There’s lots of ways to make extra. Your block is 99, credit 94. You end up flying a lot of trips at the OO historic credit time. Your block time decrease. Still getting 99 pay though. Low and behold now it’s projecting 94 hours of block. You pick up that 4 hour trip for whatever reason and get paid 103)
adk
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No, I would personally never voluntarily fly 99 hours in a month, but it’s still unfair that one of your pilots couldn’t if he wanted to.
I don’t understand your second parenthetical point. Regardless of pay structure a pilot could pick up extra flying if his block dropped over the month. The difference is whether he started at 99 or 94 hours of credit.
I don’t understand your second parenthetical point. Regardless of pay structure a pilot could pick up extra flying if his block dropped over the month. The difference is whether he started at 99 or 94 hours of credit.
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mrivc211
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I had flaps fail enroute to Pasco WA from SLC in a 200. An hour AFTER takeoff. That was an annoying turn back. Not only did that approach suck, we had 1/4SM VIS in SLC, lost the runway in the fog 10' above and went around. That was a hairy hairy approach to landing. 30 Minutes after we blocked in, they towed an airplane over from the hangar, CS called and said go again, new airplane. Almost just died now go back out!Just jinxed myself, got my 30 minutes of pay thanks to the flaps failing on the 200.
trafficinsight
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I had flaps fail enroute to Pasco WA from SLC in a 200. An hour AFTER takeoff. That was an annoying turn back. Not only did that approach suck, we had 1/4SM VIS in SLC, lost the runway in the fog 10' above and went around. That was a hairy hairy approach to landing. 30 Minutes after we blocked in, they towed an airplane over from the hangar, CS called and said go again, new airplane. Almost just died now go back out!Just jinxed myself, got my 30 minutes of pay thanks to the flaps failing on the 200.
did you?
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Dphoenix
Love lasagna, hate mondays
I might tell them I'm going to the hotel and I'm not fit for duty, just based on what I know about adrenaline and the subsequent crash when it wears off, or that at the very least I need a little break to assess my fitness. Depends though, from my CIRP volunteering I know some individuals would be just fine ("Yeah, I'm fine, why are you even calling me!?") and some people would be shaken up.
I still don't understand your block times thing. At CPZ, if I have SEA-SJC it's blocked at like 2:24 despite the burn usually being like 1:39 on the release. I usually block about 1:59 on that unless the taxi conga line in SEA is 30+ mins. I get paid 2:24 credit... If for some reason we push and I have to pull over and troubleshoot with maintenance for 40 minutes and then it takes us another 20 min to get off the ground and the 2 min taxi there when we land, my schedule will update to reflect 2:39 credit... So there's never any reason for us to slow down or drag our feet, but in the event of a gate being unavailable or an EDCT that we push out and wait for, we're compensated. But as I understand it, at OO if you were operating that SEA-SJC leg you would try to slow down to do it in the 2:24 block.... why? You don't get the 2:24 in credit regardless? What happens in the same scenario where it takes 2:39? Explain like I'm an idiot because.. well.. I still don't totally get what "historical block" means vs block or better.
I still don't understand your block times thing. At CPZ, if I have SEA-SJC it's blocked at like 2:24 despite the burn usually being like 1:39 on the release. I usually block about 1:59 on that unless the taxi conga line in SEA is 30+ mins. I get paid 2:24 credit... If for some reason we push and I have to pull over and troubleshoot with maintenance for 40 minutes and then it takes us another 20 min to get off the ground and the 2 min taxi there when we land, my schedule will update to reflect 2:39 credit... So there's never any reason for us to slow down or drag our feet, but in the event of a gate being unavailable or an EDCT that we push out and wait for, we're compensated. But as I understand it, at OO if you were operating that SEA-SJC leg you would try to slow down to do it in the 2:24 block.... why? You don't get the 2:24 in credit regardless? What happens in the same scenario where it takes 2:39? Explain like I'm an idiot because.. well.. I still don't totally get what "historical block" means vs block or better.
If it takes 2:39 because of a delay or something, you still get paid the 2:39. If you fly under the credit, you still get paid the full credit. So if it's blocked at 2:30, credit is listed as 2:15, and you actually block 2:20, you get paid the 2:20. So you still get paid what you fly, but seeing a huge block vs credit discrepancy on your schedule blows. Plus, I do have a problem with getting paid less than the block if block is going to dictate my schedule/days off.
Credit goes by the historical average of how long the flight has taken. Which is why half of our flights are putting around at mach .62 being a flying roadblock. We go fast, that number goes down.
We are not guaranteed marketing block as set by the partners. We are only guaranteed what Skywest has determined to be historical block, which is anywhere from slightly more to 15% less than marketing block. Yes, we are getting hosed.
Karnage
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To add to what @JordanD and @word302 said, we get paid historical block or better, not scheduled block or better. Most of my trips would credit 6-7% more just by switching to scheduled block or better instead of historical credit. Here’s an example from a three day I have coming up, day 3 and total block/credit. Couple weeks ago I had a trip with over 23 block but only 20.5 credit. Thankfully sitting on the ground at LAX waiting for my gate at the box managed to bring those numbers much closer together.
Edited to correct a few typos.
BEEF SUPREME
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“Penalty Box? More like the payroll pentagon!”
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skatergeek
Beet Farmer
Yes. Yes it is. Some how got sold to the pilot group a LONG time ago and is something that will never get fixed. It’s sad.
Not only that, half the pilot group seems to mock the ones that want block or better. Even more sad.