On-call and Rest for Part 135

ppragman said:
Yup and that puts the crews on 20-days-on-10 off.
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Not quite. 3 Pilots on a 2 pilot airplane gives you a 2:1 schedule.

3 full crews (6 Pilots) would allow an operator to run a true 24/7/365 with 2 crews on a 14 hour duty period each where each period overlaps by 2 hours and the 3rd crew overlaps both shifts to pick up those oddball flights that neither shift could do because of too early or too late of a start.

That minimum staffing does not allow for days off or training or sick days. Essentially it is cost prohibitive to realistically offer a 24/7/365 operation without accepting a certain number of lost flights due to duty issues.

My previous gig had us on call from noon to 6pm. Before noon you don’t have to answer the phone and after 6 have a beer. 10 on 5 off. 2 captains one FO per airframe.

Worked great. Last long time. Of course our DO had his head on straight and realized 24/7/365 was unrealistic and didn’t want us flying after 10pm anyway.


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z987k said:
Yup, and the cycle continues.

To your question, yes. If they call you and put you into rest for 10 hours it's legal. It's a way you CAN do 24/7 on call. Because there is no duty time limit in 135. So have your pilots contactable 24 hours a day, and when you do contact them, tell them you're in rest, show up in 10 hours.
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That's not 24/7 on call. That's the way the FAA wants it done. A 10 hour callout isn't 24/7 on call.
 
CoffeeIcePapers said:
That's not 24/7 on call. That's the way the FAA wants it done. A 10 hour callout isn't 24/7 on call.
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Of course it's 24/7 on call. You're on call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. When you get that call you go to rest. How is being required to answer the phone 24/7 not 24/7?
 
z987k said:
Of course it's 24/7 on call. You're on call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. When you get that call you go to rest. How is being required to answer the phone 24/7 not 24/7?
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Because you get 10 hours of rest before. Getting a phone call from the company saying that you are going into rest isn't "on call". You get rest before your assignment.
 
CoffeeIcePapers said:
Because you get 10 hours of rest before. Getting a phone call from the company saying that you are going into rest isn't "on call". You get rest before your assignment.
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Rest has to be prospective. If you don't know when you're coming out of rest it can't be prospective.

You're not in rest until you're called and told you have a trip in 10 hours.
 
Isn’t that prospective though to be told you’re in rest for 10 hours? Basically, it’s rolling rest plus 10 hours. That sounds pretty awesome to me.
 
You are (or theoretically could be) on call for 24 hours. Once the call comes in, then you go down and off for 10 before reporting for duty.
 
That sounds like a pretty good way to do it from a pilots perspective. Sounds like an awful business model. You would never be able to take a pop up, whereas, you could within a 14 hour duty cycle. Obviously wouldn’t be able to do a pop up 14 hour day, but you could at least get some pop up business.

Anyhow, doesn’t matter how you slice it, charter just sucks!
 
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